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Re: To hire neurodiverse workers, one firm got rid of job interviews

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Post by dang » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 8:20 AM UTC

kempbellt wrote: post #415

pluma wrote: post #404

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Holy shit, I can't believe I even bothered trying to reason with someone on the Internet who seriously thinks an impromptu wrestling match is a good way to resolve a disagreement at work. You're either a troll or larping. "Wrestling things out builds comradery"? We're talking about a disagreement about a work issue in a software company. Ladies and gentlemen, exhibit A: kempbellt. EDIT: I'm eagerly awaiting being cha…

You are sensationalizing and taking things out of context. I said wrestling is an effective team building tool. If you are trying to settle on which version of React to use in a project, weigh out the pros and cons in an office. If you are looking to work more effectively with some of your coworkers wrestling, or any other form of grappling martial-art (I've enjoyed BJJ), is a valid option. In case you aren't aware o…

Please don't cross into flamewar, regardless of how wrong or annoying another commenter is. It only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: To hire neurodiverse workers, one firm got rid of job interviews

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Post by soulofmischief » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 11:18 AM UTC

RobertRoberts wrote: post #429

soulofmischief wrote: post #426

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Are you saying your own personal experience is a counter to mine? You keep trying to twist this situation with carefully crafted language into something that it isn't. I'm not offering you "personal experience", you are attempting to equate our statements here in order to maintain a level playing field. Unfortunately, you are trying to pass off as a generalized fact something which my very existence disproves. You ca…

There are exceptions to every rule. Are you claiming you are an exception or the rule? If so, how do you back up your claim?

Are you for real? How can you sit here and make such outrageously anecdotal and uncited claims and then turn around and say that any proof to the contrary needs to be backed up? Lol dude get the heck out of here.

The fact is, you are literally talking to someone who could help you better understand what life with ADD is like, and instead of taking the chance to learn and grow, you're trying to convince someone who literally has ADD that everyone with ADD behaves a certain way, and trying to make the claim that I am not qualified to talk about my own disorder.

How prejudiced and narcissistic can you be that you ignore what is right in front of you? How can you not understand how insulting this is to me? What if your dad was black, would you go around saying all black people are unempathetic, too? No, you wouldn't, because someone would put you in your place reaaaaaal quick.

Sharing personal experiences is how normal humans learn about each other.

I like how you try to go further and insinuate that I am "not normal" because I am not accepting your anecdotal nonsense as evidence. Do you treat everyone whom you argue with this way? That's just sad.

Re: To hire neurodiverse workers, one firm got rid of job interviews

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Post by RobertRoberts » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:13 PM UTC

soulofmischief wrote: post #432

RobertRoberts wrote: post #429

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There are exceptions to every rule. Are you claiming you are an exception or the rule? If so, how do you back up your claim?

Are you for real? How can you sit here and make such outrageously anecdotal and uncited claims and then turn around and say that any proof to the contrary needs to be backed up? Lol dude get the heck out of here. The fact is, you are literally talking to someone who could help you better understand what life with ADD is like, and instead of taking the chance to learn and grow, you're trying to convince someone who li…

I didn't make a claim in my last comment, I just asked this:

>Are you claiming you are an exception or the rule?

This is a valid question to help me understand where you are coming from.

Re: To hire neurodiverse workers, one firm got rid of job interviews

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Post by eru » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 6:54 AM UTC

firstplacelast wrote: post #428

eru wrote: post #133

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I wouldn't judge them to badly for such an inane question by itself. Being an interviewer is also hard. (If they did other weird things before, it might just be the straw to break the camels back.) The status quo needs justification every once in a while, too. Though you could formulate the same question nicer as: "If you could do it all over again, what other fields would you be interested in? What are the pros and…

That's true, but there were several other points of contention too. The guy that interviewed me was the head of the group I would be working in and I could tell the things we valued were incompatible.

I guess you dodged a bullet then.

Re: To hire neurodiverse workers, one firm got rid of job interviews

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Post by stared » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 7:28 AM UTC

eru wrote: post #113

stared wrote: post #7

As an Aspie/ADD, I have never passed any formal interview, even for an intern position (sic!). (You can compare and contrast it with my GitHub/Resume/blog to make a judgment.) Fortunately, many times (even for mid-size companies or research institutes) the hiring was less formal. For small startups, where it is informal, I didn't feel at a disadvantage. For big, I don't believe I can pass through the first filter. It…

> Moreover, many symptoms od ADD are taken for laziness, sloppiness, or lack of motivation. Many symptoms of Aspie are taken for rudeness, ill intentions or trying to dominate (breaking a social rule => (s)he thinks (s)he is above it). To make matters even more complicated, in just the right dosage those faux pas can actually serve as countersignalling, and increase your perceived worth. I'm speaking from experience.…

I've learned that as well.

It felt weird that people excuse my social mistakes when they think I am dominating and don't care for others, but don't excuse it when I say "I am sorry" and explain that I didn't know (they assume wrong intentions + being caught red-handed + not admitting it).

Comparing with autistic standards, a lot of neurotypical interactions is less about being honest, and more: building one's position in the social hierarchy. (I find that disappointing, but well - it is how the world works.)

Re: To hire neurodiverse workers, one firm got rid of job interviews

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Post by soulofmischief » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 12:23 PM UTC

RobertRoberts wrote: post #433

soulofmischief wrote: post #432

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Are you for real? How can you sit here and make such outrageously anecdotal and uncited claims and then turn around and say that any proof to the contrary needs to be backed up? Lol dude get the heck out of here. The fact is, you are literally talking to someone who could help you better understand what life with ADD is like, and instead of taking the chance to learn and grow, you're trying to convince someone who li…

I didn't make a claim in my last comment, I just asked this: >Are you claiming you are an exception or the rule? This is a valid question to help me understand where you are coming from.

No, you are trying to be wily and ask a loaded question in order to shape the language of the conversation and position yourself as simply in search of the noble truth and I as someone who doesn't wish to see eye to eye, but it comes off as an obvious and hamfisted attempt.

Honestly, this kind of self-victimizing behavior leads me to question whether you are entirely self-aware of the nature of your interactions with your father and brother and can even trust in your own interpretation of them. You and I are not even able to have a meaningful conversation because you are bent on framing me as incapable of reasoning with you while ignoring everything I'm saying.

Re: To hire neurodiverse workers, one firm got rid of job interviews

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Post by Grustaf » Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 10:23 AM UTC

x220 wrote: post #380

Grustaf wrote: post #299

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It’s still not comparable because blackness is not a behavior at all.

There are accents and colloquialisms spoken mostly by black people. Does that not count?

No it doesn’t