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Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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You are absolutely right. I also already assume the government can access virtually anything I am doing anyways. I think we are all naive to believe otherwise. I also have nothing to hide :-)

My questions to people who say they have nothing to hide: - what are the things you and your significant other are doing in the private of your house? - which co-worker do fantasize about, be specific in what you like to do. - As teenager what legal/illegal drugs did you consume. How often did you pass out, who where the people you consumed these drugs with? - What are your political leanings? - How much do earn, whe…

I really like this response. Thank you for this.

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The idea that moves like this will "keep us safe" is utterly preposterous; there are a multitude of other ways in which terrorists (or the boogeyman de jour ) could communicate - are the UK and US governments going to insist on backdooring IRC, Slack and face-to-face conversations? Are they going to outlaw encryption libraries? I truely fear for the future that western governments, in particular the 5 eyes members, a…

The keeping safe argument from government is indeed preposterous. As if that was their mission to keep us safe. Why are they allowing our nature to be destroyed in favor of money/economy? This years heatwaves killed many thousands of people in Europe only, some estimates are in the tens of thousands. This is real deaths in 1 year, not because of terrorist attacks, no fucking backdoor will stop this. And what are they…

Was the Europe heatwave in 2019 caused by government actions?

Re: Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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Politicians are not at all stupid in general. The problem we have is in their selective listening after we elect them. If a legislator is not technically up to speed, considerable tax payer money goes towards hiring people in government to do the research and the explaining. Some high level advisers may come from organizations with a private agenda and after a few years of working within the goverment these experts p…

Along with the vote in process there should be a vote out process. The public should be able to force a vote of their representative at any time during their term and equally vote in their replacement. The intention being that politicians are aware that they must be consistent with their words and actions throughout their term otherwise they will lose their seat.

Hope we find a way to vote some of them out fast.

Some months before the last big bail out legislations, in my state we had a US Senate candidate who was new in our political scene, appeared as a local man with a law degree from our state university, and he spoke about how the working people struggled with unemployment, delinquencies etc, as he knew middle class issues and can change the ways of Washington. PBS featured him and I still remember the interview they aired from his kitchen in a middle class home. I am among the people who voted him in.

A few years after this election I checked his voting records by chance and I realized that he had voted almost always in favor of the bailout system. I wouldn’t have known this by just reading the news or watching cable. In the next election cycle he won handily, this time supported by organizations with cash to blanket our news with favorable lines for him. That’s how life works I guess.

Re: Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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Mods: Is this title accurate? It makes it sounds like an encryption back door, but from reading it sounds more like social media companies being forced to provide the cyphertext.

(with the authorities then being in a position to compel the end users to give access to devices).

Re: Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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If the source code isn't available for audit by 3rd parties (or yourself), and you can't build it from source, then it was never really "secure" anyway. What lawmakers do or don't say is just noise. Platforms that rely on trust (in this case, trusting that FB isn't doing bad things) provide very weak guarantees about privacy/security. They could easily include a keylogger in WhatsApp and bypass the e2e encryption, fo…

Trust isn't binary. You can trust a company to keep your conversation private for most purposes without it being safe from a government wiretap. We do that whenever we use a phone.

Your phone conversations are only presumably private. There's no guarantee and you can't know for sure.

Re: Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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We were surprised to read this story and are not aware of discussions that would force us to change our product. We believe people have a fundamental right to have private conversations. End-to-end encryption protects that right for over a billion people every day. We will always oppose government attempts to build backdoors because they would weaken the security of everyone who uses WhatsApp including governments th…

Is it true for US or for every country? How does WhatsApp legally operate in Russia?

It's true in every country. We are a global service, and our policy on backdoors is the same everywhere: we do not have them and we vigorously oppose them.

Sometimes this leads to us being blocked. We were blocked in Brazil, for example, but that block was overturned in the courts.

Re: Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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The idea that moves like this will "keep us safe" is utterly preposterous; there are a multitude of other ways in which terrorists (or the boogeyman de jour ) could communicate - are the UK and US governments going to insist on backdooring IRC, Slack and face-to-face conversations? Are they going to outlaw encryption libraries? I truely fear for the future that western governments, in particular the 5 eyes members, a…

Ironically, the US and UK governments use the same exact encryption libraries (with the caveat that some use FIPS mode)....

Re: Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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post #434

Mods: Is this title accurate? It makes it sounds like an encryption back door, but from reading it sounds more like social media companies being forced to provide the cyphertext. (with the authorities then being in a position to compel the end users to give access to devices).

> Social media platforms based in the U.S. including Facebook and WhatsApp will be forced to share users’ encrypted messages with British police under a new treaty between the two countries, according to a person familiar with the matter.

This might mean "...must share messages that are otherwise encrypted", it's not completely clear from the language used.

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