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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

RealWorldPolice wrote: post #411
leesec wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha well, maybe your car doesn't drive itself. Mine does everyday, it's great. Also Teslas are the safest cars. Not sure what you're talking about

I don't believe you. I own an AP1 Tesla as well as a nominally "FSD computer equipped" AP2 Tesla. You would be injured or killed if you tried taking an unmonitored trip of any reasonable length - ON THE HIGHWAY - in either, with autopilot on and with the nag disabled using a weight. If you think you don't have to routinely make manual corrections to save yourself from dying I think you are either lying or delusional.

You're stretching quite a bit here...None of the things you said were implied by the previous poster.

> If you think you don't have to routinely make manual corrections to save yourself from dying I think you are either lying or delusional.

What makes you think owners are not aware of this? Try asking that question on the /r/rteslamotors subreddit and you'll see that owners will quickly educate you and tell you to keep your eyes on the road.

You also get a visual warning to do so, whenever you engage Autopilot.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by benj111 »

kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

Auto tuning radios are quite nice, and automatic chokes.

But in general I agree, I don't want to be battling some interface whilst I'm trying to drive.

I'm surprised there havent been moves in Europe to ban the Tesla type, everything on a tablet setup. I'm not allowed to use a phone whilst driving, why is a big screen on the centre console any different?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

Phillipharryt wrote: post #414
xedeon wrote: post #52

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> I'd get one if I didn't have crushing doubt about their ability to service their cars. Or stay in business long-term. Are you serious? That false narrative fueled by FUD has been the talking point by short-sellers since 2008 (Only Tesla and Ford survived the 2008 market crash btw). It's now 2019 and you would think people would know any better.

Tesla bonds are rated deeeep into junk. Comparatively Toyota is high in the investment grade as are VW's. Having junk long term bonds is not great, having junk short term ones is downright scary. This is even worse considering it's a company that so desperately needs the ability to get cheap loans. It's not a narrative without its facts, it's a speculation based on concerning evidence.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21085844

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by iamsb »

benj111 wrote: post #432
kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

Auto tuning radios are quite nice, and automatic chokes. But in general I agree, I don't want to be battling some interface whilst I'm trying to drive. I'm surprised there havent been moves in Europe to ban the Tesla type, everything on a tablet setup. I'm not allowed to use a phone whilst driving, why is a big screen on the centre console any different?

I was under the impression that tesla lets you adjust most of the settings using voice command, is that incorrect?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by benj111 »

xedeon wrote: post #422
dewski wrote: post #407

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You can use the steering wheel and scroll up or down and you changed the temperature. No fooling around with touchscreen in traffic. It’s way better than any analog system I’ve used across Jeep’s and Audi’s. You can control temperature, fan speed, brightness, and more all from the steering wheel.

Yes: https://youtu.be/kLIBYlgsHis?t=560 That video tutorial is now outdated since there has been many UI improvements, but the steps should still be the same.

Are you not highlighting another problem.

Buttons are always in the same place, I know where they are, I don't have to go hunting for the thing that used to be there, but is now in a sub sub menu, meanwhile you aren't looking where you're going.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by timc3 »

kaiwen1 wrote: post #413

The depth and breadth of anti-Tesla sentiment in HN threads is curious. It's rarely from owners. By all satisfaction surveys, owners love their Teslas.

I think its because from the outside the same things that annoy with Apple products seems present in Tesla models. Namely: rights to repair and freedom of choice around that. Pursuit of form over function - using a bloody great touch screen when its better not to take your eyes off the road (I prefer physical buttons and dials, plus idrive anyday personally). The fact that the interiors are lower quality than perhaps they should be for the price.

Perhaps mix that with some other less than attractive traits.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by thrower123 »

benj111 wrote: post #435
xedeon wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes: https://youtu.be/kLIBYlgsHis?t=560 That video tutorial is now outdated since there has been many UI improvements, but the steps should still be the same.

Are you not highlighting another problem. Buttons are always in the same place, I know where they are, I don't have to go hunting for the thing that used to be there, but is now in a sub sub menu, meanwhile you aren't looking where you're going.

Give me physical buttons and knobs any day. I'm afraid with the direction that things are going, that may become more and more difficult, and go the way of crank windows and manual transmissions, however.

Oh well. The way that sticker prices keep going up on new pickup trucks, frankensteining old ones together and rebuilding the engines and transmissions is looking like more and more of a viable and cost-effective option.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by tastroder »

xedeon wrote: post #420
kaiwen1 wrote: post #413

The depth and breadth of anti-Tesla sentiment in HN threads is curious. It's rarely from owners. By all satisfaction surveys, owners love their Teslas.

It's very intriguing indeed... I always thought the HN demographic is a pretty smart bunch, because I often learn quite a bit from the comment section. I don't get all of the anti-Tesla vitriol, I'm honestly curious what fuels it. It's like all objectivity get's thrown out the window.

> It's like all objectivity get's thrown out the window.

Welcome to the internet? Tesla is just a divisive topic around here and only a small percentage of that concerns their products.

As somebody usually only watching these threads it's quite amusing to be honest. On one side you have the people that just don't like Musk, or those with legit concerns like the right to repair folks. On the other hand you have a mix of satisfied owners and people that for some reason to into full "somebody is wrong on the internet" mode. There rarely ever seems to be any constructive discussion in these threads, any praise devolves into mud swinging, every criticism is jumped upon or dismissed.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by jstummbillig »

radium3d wrote: post #403
propogandist wrote: post #397

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Having to fiddle with a touch screen to manage windshield wipers is unnecessary.

The wipers wipe automatically when the camera detects rain on the windshield. If you want to do a window clean you just push the button on the end of the blinker handle on the left of the steering wheel. It's one of the few physical buttons of the 3.

Now that's just unlucky for parent :)

The great thing about the touch screen is not the UI experience, but the flexibility when it comes to updates that also include new features. When you go the hardware controller route on a product that is still heavily being interrated on, you quickly run out of intuitive ways to clearly label and/or manipulate things or an exzessive number of buttons with integrated screens (to indicate their function in any given context), neither of which is great UX wise and also pretty expensive.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by davedx »

quaa55 wrote: post #427
kaiwen1 wrote: post #413

The depth and breadth of anti-Tesla sentiment in HN threads is curious. It's rarely from owners. By all satisfaction surveys, owners love their Teslas.

as an owner and investor in Tesla, i find it best to avoid hacker news threads tesla focused due to the lack of ignorance and closed minded people who think they know about this company from all of the negative press that they read about the company - which generally is either months old, or talking about garbage. It always ends up this way, for tesla stuff stick with the forums ( tesla, module three owners club, etc…

Yeah agree, and its not just Tesla. HN comments are negative in general, sometimes to ridiculous extents. I still read them for the odd insightful or interesting take though.
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