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Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by dkrich »

So now it comes out that Apple is working to “quickly reinstate Google’s enterprise certificates” but won’t work with Facebook?

By now it should be fairly obvious that Apple hates Facebook for a very good reason- Facebook is Apple’s single biggest threat. I’m completely convinced this has nothing to do with privacy or protecting users, it just makes for a convenient excuse.

If people slowly start replacing iMessage with WhatsApp or messenger, that creates a bridge to leave iOS for Android since Apple’s software is one of the main features of the phone. If you become less reliant on the software the hardware suddenly becomes a commodity.

This whole episode is giving me pause about staying in the iOS ecosystem. Beyond that I think some antitrust litigation is going to hit Apple soon.

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by drilldrive »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #412
jdietrich wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth bearing in mind that Google pay Apple billions of dollars a year to be the default search engine on iOS. To my eyes, Apple clearly have the upper hand in this relationship. https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3063669/google-is-...

To be fair, they also paid Mozilla tons to be the default search engine on Firefox and that didn’t work out so well for Firefox.

How so? They allowed the license to expire?

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by seba_dos1 »

ajross wrote: post #366
briandear wrote: post #353

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> Things don't have "terms". Technically correct. But software running on "things" has terms. It's called a license. When you buy a movie, you don't own the film. You own the right to use that film in accordance with the license.

You're conflating things. Your example is about copyright, not licenses. Copyright doesn't constrain use, it constrains distribution (though there's a parallel argument there about DRM and things like DVD region codes, etc...). The question you're sidestepping is whether a license can say "you can't run your own software on your own thing". Obviously it can be implemented to do so given the way computers work, but it…

Copyright can constrain use (although the actual extent varies a lot between jurisdictions). Most licenses (which are basically a way to manage copyrights) don't make use that, but some do (like a license that Apple uses for their SDKs, which disallows running it on non-Apple hardware).

BTW. I ignore that and even many large, respectable companies ignore that, but it's there ;)

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Post by arkbird »

dkrich wrote: post #431

So now it comes out that Apple is working to “quickly reinstate Google’s enterprise certificates” but won’t work with Facebook? By now it should be fairly obvious that Apple hates Facebook for a very good reason- Facebook is Apple’s single biggest threat. I’m completely convinced this has nothing to do with privacy or protecting users, it just makes for a convenient excuse. If people slowly start replacing iMessage w…

Most of EU already uses Whatsapp. If NA jumps ship for Whatsapp/FB messenger Apple's gonna be in trouble.

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Post by Natanael_L »

SubuSS wrote: post #357
driverdan wrote: post #291

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Of course you should. It's my device, I should be able to do what I want with it. The default should be protected but root should be available.

I don't understand: Do you expect to be able to run any programs you want on the micro-controller on your washing machine? That's what Apple is doing here. Pushing iPhone as a commodity, not a replacement for your macbook. This way they get the benefits of controlling the experience as much as they want. (I am not saying it is right or wrong, just that many people are fine with commodity phones and don't care for the…

You haven't seen Apple's commercials? "what's a computer"? This is the ONLY experience they want everybody expect

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Post by rootusrootus »

dkrich wrote: post #431

So now it comes out that Apple is working to “quickly reinstate Google’s enterprise certificates” but won’t work with Facebook? By now it should be fairly obvious that Apple hates Facebook for a very good reason- Facebook is Apple’s single biggest threat. I’m completely convinced this has nothing to do with privacy or protecting users, it just makes for a convenient excuse. If people slowly start replacing iMessage w…

I doubt Apple sees Facebook as any kind of threat. There is already a far more plausible messaging bridge from iOS to Android called Hangouts and it hasn't really been effective for that. People aren't staying with iPhone because they're trapped by imessage.

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by seba_dos1 »

spurcell93 wrote: post #391
briandear wrote: post #355

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Why would you have to reinstall it every 3 days?

IIRC dev certs expire quickly, by design

Yup. However, at least you don't really need a Mac for that, as there are external tools to resign and install ipa files.

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by cbhl »

curt15 wrote: post #278
mjw1007 wrote: post #266

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According to the story, Apple have stopped Google employees running Google's "Gbus app for transportation". So yes, it's about what Apple allows people to run on their own devices.

Since Gbus is presumably developed internally, what prevents the employees from installing the program via Xcode?

Probably something like this:

XX% of Google employees are non-technical

XX% of Google employees don't use Mac as their laptop platform

XX% of Google employees have a locked-down Mac that isn't allowed to run XCode or locally-compiled binaries because their job role isn't in Engineering

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by bunderbunder »

wutbrodo wrote: post #421
bunderbunder wrote: post #400

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At least as I understand it, it more means explaining things to the person you're talking to as if they don't know anything about the conversation topic, even though you have no particular reason to do so. It doesn't necessarily have to be done by a man or directed at a woman. That's just how it tends to go. And obvs is a bit more fraught when it is going that way.

Leaving aside whether that's something to reasonably get upset about (how are people supposed to know exactly which facts are known to every single reader of their comment?), the way you're describing it seems pretty identical to the now-mostly-anachronistic expression of being "jewed" out of some money. The fact that the target of the slur doesn't have to be Jewish doesn't make it better; in fact, it kind of makes i…

It's the difference between punching up and punching down.

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by lwhi »

askafriend wrote: post #43

Let’s say you’re using a Google API like Maps, and you violate terms by snapshotting sections of their maps and storing them on your severs so you can serve static maps without making API calls. They’d shut down your API access immediately Google and Facebook both knew the terms. They both knew that the Enterprise Distribution Program was for internal use only. They still put ads out in the wild to recruit regular co…

All is fair in love and war?

Things are obviously getting a bit ridiculous. Part of me thinks that something awful is going to have to happen before society stops these companies from pursuing everything they feel they need to.

Hopefully it won't be too late when that realisation becomes crystal clear to the majority.

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