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Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by rb666 »

tptacek wrote: post #291
lucideer wrote: post #261

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Firefox is still very imperfect in their prioritising of privacy, but when we're looking at the question of "use Chrome or Firefox", that's hardly significant in comparison. I'm curious what you're using currently if Firefox's privacy imperfections are of concern? Safari?

I use Chrome, because security is my top concern. (Firefox has a good security team, but Chrome's is unmatched.)

Sorry but this is a bit clueless, what are you trying to secure exactly, if it's not your own data? You can't honestly thing that data is safer in Chrome than Firefox.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by [deleted] »

pseudalopex wrote: post #391
fireattack wrote: post #268

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I use Fx as my main browser, but the quick search feature in Fx is miles behind Chrome's. 1. In chrome, you don't need to manually add anything; you don't need to assign a keyword that you have to memorize. All the websites that you frequent that support OpenSearch will be automatically added by Chrome and you use their domain as keyword. I can now type en + tab to search on Wikipedia, as well as hundreds of other we…

You can add OpenSearch engines from the "..." menu in the address bar, but it doesn't show an indicator like the search bar. Suggestions for keyword searches will be fixed in the next release.[1] [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1496814

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Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by [deleted] »

irrational wrote: post #66
rehemiau wrote: post #61

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Many people won't switch because either Firefox is slow on their platform (MacOS) or stuff they use are slow on Firefox (Google ecosystem, many other webapps optimized for Chrome)

I use Firefox on MacOS. It is easily as fast as Chrome for me (and I have tons of tabs open in multiple windows). And I use Google Docs/Sheets/etc. all day long with zero slowdowns.

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Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by bpye »

metildaa wrote: post #370
m-p-3 wrote: post #199

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I wish the addon would sync its container configuration accross Firefox Sync. Setting my containers manually on the multiple computers I use daily is a real pain in the ass.

For mobile use container syncing (even just ssyncing which domains go in which container) would make it sooo much easier to protect from tracking. Firefox for Android is a notable improvement over Chrome, but the add-ons available for it, even simple ones like javascript toggle, are significantly worse. On desktop it retains state for each site, wheread on Android it is a global toggle for all websites.

I keep having Firefox for Android bug out on me and stop rendering the pages - it's really frustrating as it keeps forcing me back to Chrome. Have you ever hit this issue?

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by Sylos »

blitmap wrote: post #428
davidp wrote: post #19

Seriously, switch to Firefox. It's good again, and prioritizes privacy.[0] After Chrome's forced-sign-in debacle [1] I switched away from Chrome on all my platforms (Windows, Linux, Android) and haven't missed a thing. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055161

I think Servo is going to be a massive Good Thing (tm) for Mozilla, but they have messed up a few times with UI anti-patterns and sneaking extensions into updates that users didn't opt for. They have seriously breached our trust like Google and it will take years to earn back that trust. I switched to Firefox away from Chrome recently. I am happy with this but I wish they had a friendly UI you could bring up to expos…

> sneaking extensions into updates that users didn't opt for.

If you have auto-updates enabled, Mozilla, like Google, has complete control over the source code that runs on your system. Had they wanted to sneak new source code in, they would have specifically not packaged it as an extension, which made it user-visible and limited to the extension API in its capabilities, and instead just patched the Firefox code to include it. So, they were decidedly doing the opposite of sneaking it in.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by tomnipotent »

pseudalopex wrote: post #377
npunt wrote: post #343

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Purely from a feature development perspective, I guess I don't see how adding a read-it-later / bookmarking feature would generate so much consternation. Functionally its roughly equivalent to Reading List + Bookmarks on Safari, with some delicious-like aggregate smarts. Would it have been better to have built it internally instead of through acquisition? I admit I'm unfamiliar with the inside baseball on it's integr…

Mozilla was developing a private Reading List feature that used Firefox Sync. They suddenly replaced it with Pocket, which sent users' bookmarks to a third party that engaged in data mining. (The acquisition came later.) Users suspected money was involved. Mozilla employees insisted that Pocket hadn't paid for the integration. Months later, it came out that there was a referral deal. Pocket was and is an extension. I…

> Pocket was and is an extension

Pocket is not an extension - it's built in by default and cannot be removed (only disabled).

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by baroffoos »

PinkMilkshake wrote: post #314

If it ever got to the point where Google had achieved complete domination of the web, do we just leave? I'm curious as to what point we say screw it and create a new web. Is that even an option? Is it even plausible or desirable?

The regular user will not leave but I have seen an increase in power users leaving mainstream teach. There seems to be people turning to gopher for a kind of fun and exclusive web free from corporations.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by saurik »

arsa wrote: post #412
turblety wrote: post #226

I really wish Mozilla would work on making their Gecko engine (or whatever backend they use now) more usable to external developers. WebKit always seems very easy for developers to integrate into their apps. Whether you think it's a good or bad move, Electron has made building cross platform desktop applications a lot easier. It's a shame it must use Chromium and V8. In fairness Mozilla used to have XUL [1] until it…

They used to support it, but it was killed to prioritize firefox development (and couple of years later they stopped developing mozilla suite). https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.embeddin... otoh Webkit was originally developed as part of iOS, so embedding was required

WebKit was a fork from KDE and was used to build Safari before iOS existed.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by thekyle »

luislezcair wrote: post #359
idoubtit wrote: post #325

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* Google stands up for privacy^W, user control, and open standards like HTTP2 * They back it up with high quality technical products like Chromium * They built Go, a language I love I could have written the same with Microsoft/VSCode/C# and Apple/Safari/Swift. Seriously: Mozilla is good, but they're not saints, they're not totally different from other companies. They sometimes erred, even on the privacy of their user…

Mozilla is a non-profit

Mozilla is both a non-profit and a for-profit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by metildaa »

bpye wrote: post #434
metildaa wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For mobile use container syncing (even just ssyncing which domains go in which container) would make it sooo much easier to protect from tracking. Firefox for Android is a notable improvement over Chrome, but the add-ons available for it, even simple ones like javascript toggle, are significantly worse. On desktop it retains state for each site, wheread on Android it is a global toggle for all websites.

I keep having Firefox for Android bug out on me and stop rendering the pages - it's really frustrating as it keeps forcing me back to Chrome. Have you ever hit this issue?

Yes, I have had it start mis-rendering with content being partially covered, killing and reopening Firefox fixes it. Firefox for Android needs work, but the add-ons make it a good experience.
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