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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by UweSchmidt »

jodrellblank wrote: post #399
sho wrote: post #247

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Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but if testing on your browser means downloading a 4GB+ image every couple months and having it take up all my memory in a clunky VM and messing around with how it gets its IP and then trying to update itself with another multi-gigabyte windows update while I'm tethering and did I mention you have to redo it all every couple of months?... then I'm not testing against your browser.

There's a startup for that: https://www.browserling.com/ run by user pkrumins https://www.browserling.com/browse/win/7/ie/11/https%3A%2F%2...

There is also http://saucelabs.com/ and https://www.browserstack.com/ who have real devices and allow you to run automated tests.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by Piskvorrr »

est wrote: post #124
interesthrow2 wrote: post #82

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The irony. They had HTA apps (running on IE engine which still work more or less, I replaced most default Win10 apps like the image viewer and the "groove" music player with a version of them built with HTA since they were slow as hell to start up) for 20 years already, they did barely anything with it, they didn't really invest seriously in a good browser engine (Edge isn't) and now all they can do is use Google's?…

HTA combined with ActiveXObject can do so much more than crappy w3c standard stuff. dHTML FTW!

Yup. Alas, that's not a feature, that's a gaping security hole. (Had the misfortune of working on a HTA e-mail client. Turns out, some of the VBS viruses of the age were executable in HTA context...hilarity ensued.)

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

mushu999 wrote: post #103
jccalhoun wrote: post #23

As a firefox fax, I hope this isn't true. The dominance of chrome isn't good for anyone. This will lead to (even more) sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox. We are headed back to the "designed for IE" days.

WTF do you mean "lead to sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox"?? If Firefox follows the published HTML standards then there wouldn't need to be any special compatibility effort made by us web devs! That is exactly what made I.E. (and Edge) so cr@ppy in the first place!! /facepalm

How can you refer to yourself a "web dev" and be seemingly completely unaware that the web standards themselves are an absolute shitshow!?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

JBiserkov wrote: post #391
manigandham wrote: post #380

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Poisonous name? Are you referring to Visual Studio? That's widely considered as one of the best IDEs around.

Yes. At the same time it's hated by many anti-MS folks, especially in the Linux/OS X crowd.

If people choose to hate it for fanboy reasons that's their loss.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by Piskvorrr »

taneq wrote: post #410
Piskvorrr wrote: post #407

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Nope. IE6 was great, when it was released . That was...in 2001, seventeen years ago. Then MS sat on its hands for years , leaving IE6 in the dust. Then it suddenly woke up, and released IE7...which didn't differ much...and IE8, which was only about a year behind everyone else. And then MS sat on its hands again. I remember the Second Browser War, and I find your account disingenuous at the very least. (And that's eve…

Uh, wow - I said "it was so good that people kept using it for years" meaning "until 2005 or something", not "and IE6 is awesome and we should all use it until today". I think your post here is more about your own PTSD from having to support IE6 than it was about my post. :S

Nope again. "People kept using it for years" because the web was Built For Microsoft Explorer, to the tune of `if (!navigator.userAgent.match(/MSIE/)) window.location='notsupported.htm';`

Not at all similar to today's web Built For Google Chrome, notatall, noooo.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by tEMporality7 »

ulfw wrote: post #240
baggsie wrote: post #202

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The same way you test safari on a Win or Linux machine?

Safari runs on iOS (iPhones, iPads) too. Huge installed base. The same can't be said about Windows Phones

Maybe not Windows phones but definitely Android phones. Because Edge is available on Android and seems to be quite popular. And that is a huge market, bigger than ios'.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by toyg »

mr_toad wrote: post #345
manigandham wrote: post #322

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Safari is leaving itself in the dirt. It's the new IE with slow, quirky, and unreliable features. They made some advancements in privacy, but so did Firefox without giving up on actual rendering and standards.

> unreliable standards I presume you mean that Safari doesn’t support experimental standards that Chrome is pushing because they align with Google’s businesses strategy. This is exactly the problem with a browser monoculture. If we’re not lucky Google will be the new Microsoft.

“Will be”?

Google owns Android, which is the Windows of the mobile world. They push a development monoculture based on their platform. They leverage their de-facto monopoly in some sectors to penetrate other sectors. They hoover up young developers and keep them in gilded cages that encompass as much of their lives as possible. The only difference is that their cash-cow is advertising rather than an office suite.

Google IS the new Microsoft. They are MS just before the Halloween Papers and the antitrust trial: rich, dominant, and mostly well-liked by the dev community at large.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by wklauss »

alliecat wrote: post #329
manigandham wrote: post #322

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Safari is leaving itself in the dirt. It's the new IE with slow, quirky, and unreliable features. They made some advancements in privacy, but so did Firefox without giving up on actual rendering and standards.

I hear this a lot, but I find Safari to be an entirely usable browser day-to-day - the reduction in power usage is very noticeable vs Firefox or Chrome.

More than usable. For the majority of users I'd say it is a better option, not as resource-hungry as Chrome or chromium based browsers.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by Endy »

int_19h wrote: post #417
pjc50 wrote: post #326

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Edge is a terrible product: it's a poor clone of its competitors and it has no distinguishing feature. Microsoft needed to actually innovate here and they didn't. Nor did they find an unmet need. Edge exists because everyone hates IE, not because it has something new for the user.

Its distinguishing feature is that it can read EPUB books. I'm not entirely sure why you'd want that in the browser - I think someone looked at how all browsers these days have native PDF support, and thought, "I wonder if we could squeeze something else in there".

I find your disdain for that feature to be amusing, because one of the first plugins I've downloaded for Firefox, SeaMonkey, and Pale Moon whenever I've installed them on a computer is an EPUB reader. As much as my genuine preference would be to have a web-browser with a "Do One Thing Well" mindset, the fact is that EPUB is great because it's just a compressed and ordered set of XML files, which a web browser is very much built to read. I don't see a need for Calibre when either my web browser or Sumatra PDF can pick up and display my EPUB books properly.

So for me, the fact that I don't need an addon to do that would definitely have sent me to using Edge over Chrome or current Firefox, if I were on an OS that included it.

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