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Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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akerl_ wrote: post #306
roustem wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand where you are coming from and we thought about advertising this feature. However, it would not be the best option for most of the customers. They would have to understand how to take care of local vaults, including syncing, backups, etc. It is really an advanced feature for very technical audience.

My concern isn't that you aren't advertising the feature, it's that your marketing speaks in many cases directly contrary to your real feature-set. Taking an example already quoted elsewhere in this thread: > 1Password 7 from the Mac App Store will only support our hosted service, as that’s what you’re purchasing with a 1Password membership. If you install from our website, you’ll have to option to use a standalone v…

This quote was posted in response to a question about the Mac App Store and is taken out of context here. We’d strongly encourage anyone looking to subscribe but use standalone vaults to do so through our website, rather than the Mac App Store. I can’t guarantee that’ll be a viable setup through the Mac App Store. When done through our website though it definitely is. It isn’t the recommended path (as you are paying for features you won’t be able to use), but it is possible.

I’m sorry for any confusion caused by the comment. Hopefully this clarifies.

Ben Woodruff

AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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micv wrote: post #7
preek wrote: post #4

Good timing that I moved all my passwords from 1Password to Emacs and GPG one year ago. It’s a pity; I’ve been a very happy customer for a long time, had licenses for multiple machines and was happy enough to pay for the updates. But my data shall be my data, again. I’m not paying for an app that I regularly have to buy an upgrade for and which doesn’t give me the opportunity to hold my data locally after explicitly…

They're still selling standalone versions for MacOS & Windows that run off local storage. Doesn't seem like they're doing multi-OS license bundles anymore, though, so it's gonna run expensive if you use more than one OS.

This is accurate. In general / on average standalone vaults require more support, and the price of licensing compared to subscription pricing reflects that.

Ben Woodruff

AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by bwoodruff »

serbrech wrote: post #383

I've been staying on v4.x to keep the sync to dropbox. I don't want to used their hosted service. I don't want my master password to transit over the internet and its hash to be stored in a db, no matter how secure they are. Centralizing this makes it a target of attack. There is no way a hacker will try to get my credential unless he targets me personally, and there is little to no reason for this to happen. It does…

Your Master Password is never transmitted or stored hashed in a database. Please check out our security whitepaper. http://1pw.ca/whitepaper

Ben Woodruff

AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by bwoodruff »

jsgo wrote: post #346

At this point, I'm not upset about this as I previously subscribed, but I'm at the point now where I'm thinking of bolting because it has become a pain. At this point, I just need to find something that is secure, portable, can be backed up, and cross platform. The syncing experience since at least 6 has been spotty between my Windows client, my iPhone, and my iPad. I can't tell you how many times I've had to reset a…

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I understand your perspective, and I’m sorry to hear that ultimately 1Password did not work out for you.

One of the primary reasons we built 1Password memberships was because of difficulties faced by customers in syncing with 3rd party services, and difficulties faced by our customer service team in troubleshooting those services (often black boxes).

Ben Woodruff

AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Khaine wrote: post #370

I'm not sure how the subscription model makes sense for a password manager. In general, I'm not a fan of the subscription model. I hate the trend towards subscription. I can imagine a day, when I pay $5 a month for a password manager, $5 a month for office, $5 for slack, $5 for a to do manager, $5 fr a mail product, $10 for an internet browser, and after all that having no money for anything else.

Speaking strictly in terms of money... How much would you pay for a license? $65? So what does that work out to if we release an upgrade every 2 - 2.5 years? About $30 / yr, right? That is about what a subscription costs as well, but the subscription includes access to the apps on all platforms, as well as other features not available with a license. For most people, especially 1Password Families customers, the subscription option is going to be less expensive. This is a reflection of the amount of support required on average by license customers vs subscription customers.

Ben Woodruff

AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by makecheck »

xoa wrote: post #66

I at least partly blame Apple and the MAS being such piece of shit for accelerating some of the sub trends we're seeing on the Mac now. It's really such a genuine shame, because in principle the MAS really could be an excellent idea, a way to unify and simplify a pain point of Mac use and boost security at a few levels without a need to alienate anyone or not support anything. Instead Apple had to make it an artifici…

I remember when developers gathered at one point and submitted complaints in unison about the sorry state of Bug Reporter (rdar) at the time. I never heard if Apple responded to this directly but the tool did receive an update around the same time. Developers need to rally again, e.g. submitting the same rdar from 400,000 different people, on the topic of App Stores.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by 0culus »

roustem wrote: post #411
0culus wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I will be happy if you continue to support licenses vs. subscriptions as an option + syncing with the cloud service of choice (I use iCloud). My use case is pretty simple. I don't need fancy integrations. I just want an easy to use solution that protects my passwords and enables me to use it across my Apple devices...which is what my (licensed) 1Password 6 does wonderfully for me now, across two Macs, my iP…

Thanks! Sounds like you will be happy then :)

Yep! I just purchased the 1Password 7 license from the beta app, i.e. voting with my wallet. :)

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by bwoodruff »

lemoncucumber wrote: post #193

So for the Mac client, the options are to either subscribe or buy a standalone license directly from AgileBits. But what is the upgrade path for futures versions of the iOS client if you choose not to subscribe?

1Password for iOS was just upgraded to v7 and was not a paid upgrade (anyone who had previously purchased received the upgrade free of charge). As for what the future will bring, having just recently launched v7, it is a bit early to say.

Ben Woodruff

AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by bwoodruff »

f311a wrote: post #197

Can someone clarify? Can I use transfer my appstore non-subscription license?

I’m not entirely sure what you’re asking, but 1Password 7 is a separate purchase, unless you’re using a subscription (then it is included in your subscription). There is no transfer of licenses from v6 to v7. Does that help?

Ben Woodruff

AgileBits

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