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I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by intended »

wilsonnb wrote: post #426
tjoff wrote: post #400

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"It will work". Just as bluetooth? Humanity has serious issues getting serial to work over USB, yet this will just work? Across all OSes? We can't even make USB-C CABLES correctly, but THIS is a sure thing? Even the cheap ones everyone will buy? Or the expensive ones that has the same hardware but a nicer box/cable? We won't have apple compatible cables, android compatible cables etc.? We won't have situations where…

In this case, it will actually just work. People have been using USB audio DAC's since at least 2002. Unless you're using something aimed at professional musicians with a lot of inputs and outputs, it's just plug and play with class compliant drivers. Linux, MacOS, Windows, Android, and iOS all just work. Obviously, until Apple switches to USB C, we will have separate USB C and lightning cables. That's inconvenient.…

Course you have more space- people aren’t using the phone for that use case anymore.

My phone upgrade is now always going to be an iPhone 6 Or I move to Android.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by ericd »

fa17 wrote: post #331
ericd wrote: post #157

The only thing keeping me definitively locked into an Android phone is Google's excellent Fi cell service.

I use Fi from my iPhone. its not officially supported, but works without issues.

Oh, awesome, thanks very much! I'll have to look into that. I wonder if it has any issues with network switching, or if it's just the wifi switchover stuff (which never seems to work anyway).

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by tjoff »

wilsonnb wrote: post #427
tjoff wrote: post #409

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Add to that, we can't even make passive USB-C to 3.5mm adapters properly! But even that doesn't matter now when the Pixel 2 (etc.) has been released without even an internal DAC. People buy these overpriced passive adapters but they obviously won't work, so people leave 1-star reviews and have to return the cables. This is a fuckup of epic proportions.

Passive USB-C to 3.5mm are the problem and should be avoided, in my opinion. A USB-C to 3.5mm with a DAC inside can be used in any USB C port. A passive adapter will only work in some USB C ports. I don't expect USB C ports on laptops will ever have a DAC behind them.

The problem is that USB-C for audio doesn't solve any problem.

Obviously you'd use the 3.5mm jack on your laptop.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by tjoff »

wilsonnb wrote: post #426
tjoff wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It will work". Just as bluetooth? Humanity has serious issues getting serial to work over USB, yet this will just work? Across all OSes? We can't even make USB-C CABLES correctly, but THIS is a sure thing? Even the cheap ones everyone will buy? Or the expensive ones that has the same hardware but a nicer box/cable? We won't have apple compatible cables, android compatible cables etc.? We won't have situations where…

In this case, it will actually just work. People have been using USB audio DAC's since at least 2002. Unless you're using something aimed at professional musicians with a lot of inputs and outputs, it's just plug and play with class compliant drivers. Linux, MacOS, Windows, Android, and iOS all just work. Obviously, until Apple switches to USB C, we will have separate USB C and lightning cables. That's inconvenient.…

> The argument for removal is that it's redundant.

That is it? That just can not be the reason. Even if that were true it doesn't make the slightest sense to force this change overnight. Most phones doesn't even have USB-C.

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Post by lenocinor »

microtonal wrote: post #229
kossae wrote: post #175

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Wow. As an iPhone user I actually wasn't aware of how easy LastPass is on Android. I, too, hate all of the steps (leave browser to open the app, search for your site, copy password, go back to the browser, paste password). Hopefully I'm missing something? Re: Google. Their apps are certainly subpar as opposed to Android, which is to be expected. They are getting better, though. And Google Photos is a must for me as a…

leave browser to open the app, search for your site, copy password, go back to the browser, paste password In the browser, you can tap the share icon and choose 1Password, this will open 1Password and you can confirm the entry to log in.

Thank you! I've been doing this wrong for YEARS.

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Post by lederhosen »

selectodude wrote: post #346
boudin wrote: post #283

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I use neither of those and host my own services, but I know I'm a control freak on that. My point is that an object that you don't control can't be trusted for privacy, that's all. Both iphones and stock android phone fits in this category, you don't control any of those. Edit : If Apple change it's business model and decide to use the data gathered, what do you do? It's exactly the problem of privacy, having control…

Apple probably made like $500 selling me an iPhone X. If they sell my data, I won't buy another one. I guess I'm stuck trusting capitalism in that I think Apple would rather keep making $500 every couple years than $50 once.

They sold your data to Google.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/14/google-paying-apple-3-billio...

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Post by mclehman »

Jedd wrote: post #278
ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #231

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Almost every modern car now has USB or bluetooth, even cheap entry level compact cars. > Friends car? Stereo in the summer vacation house? Bluetooth speakers are pretty much ubiquitous nowadays. I don't think I've seen an aux cord in 2 years. Why should a tech company design for old tech? Do you also dislike monitors that don't have VGA just in case? I'm not saying there are scenarios where that would be an issue. Bu…

Not everyone lives in your world. > Why should a tech company design for old tech? a) Apple isn't a tech company, it's a style / aspiration company that sells some bits and bobs that occasionally are high-tech, and b) 3.5mm headphone jacks have been around since the 1950's -- so presumably this was 'old tech' when Apple first came up with the iPod ... and yet ... and yet, they still put this 'old tech' into every dev…

>Not everyone lives in your world.

Exactly, sometimes I think people forget not everyone owns the latest and greatest of each and every product category.

For example, I finally gave in and bought a Pixel 2, but I've also held onto my '03 Jetta and still use a cassette adapter to play music. I'm used to shuffling cassette adapters between vehicles, so I speak from experience when I say that buying extra adapters or always having one on hand is too much of a hassle and I'll end up stuck with just the radio on occasion.

Even if I were to get a new car with bluetooth, I'd still be hosed in: my SO's car ('06 Rav4), my parents' cars ('99 Wrangler and '02 A6), my best friend's car (Saturn Ion), and my sister's car (older Impreza). In fact, the only car I'm ever in that has bluetooth is my brother-in-law's Mazda. Even solely looking at playing music in the car, I'd still need an adapter the overwhelming majority of the time. Now maybe my circle hangs onto cars longer than average, but I don't think it's too far off the norm.

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Post by craftyguy »

ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #406
craftyguy wrote: post #359

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I can't wait for the Librem5 phone. Both mainstream options, whether it's Apple or Android, are terrible.

I always wonder about people who value security so highly. I like the idea of security but I can't justify the cost of more than $2,000 to protect myself from ad trackers. Like is this something that matters that much because of the line of work you do? Or is it just about being a high net worth individual.

> I always wonder about people who value security so highly.

Well, generally those types of folks do not own smartphones.

> cost of more than $2,000

You must be thinking of a different device?

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by randlet »

wilsonnb wrote: post #286
randlet wrote: post #280

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The headphone jack is my only gripe with the Pixel 2 and it is a surprisingly big deal to me. The USB-C dongle is terrible . Easy to lose, doesn't work half the time requiring me to reboot the phone (lightning quick thankfully), stops working if the headphones get yanked out etc. I use my headphones almost every single day with my phone so it's a "big" (in the first world problem sense) deal to me. I love everything…

For the record, I use my Pixel 2 with the headphone adapter all the time and I've never had a problem with it.

Thanks. I'll maybe ask for a replacement then.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by iaml »

mgamache wrote: post #301
iaml wrote: post #197

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Jack is overrated. I have it and don't use it at all after buying airpods.

So apple removes a part that costs less then a cent and gets you to purchase $180 headphones? I don't mean to be snarky, by having to swap adapters and no option from Apple to charge and use headphones at the same time irritates me. My iPhone 7 might force me back to android after really liking my iPhone 6.

I mean they didn't force me to - i also have a 6. But after trying them out I instabought them and have no regrets. Its amazingly convenient, so light you can easily forget about them, okayish sound and I basically use them most of the day via phone or laptop and I can't go back to any kind of wired in-ear headphones anymore.
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