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Post by lazyasciiart »

downandout wrote: post #363
lazyasciiart wrote: post #360

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We also shouldn't go making up facts in order to paint Trump's approval ratings as better than they are.

And I’m not. But I think even you would agree that the overwhelmingly negative press coverage - almost all of it opinion based - has some effect on the disapproval ratings. 50% was going to be built in from the start. Somebody should do the math to figure out the correlation between the ratio of positive to negative press stories and the disapproval ratings for both Trump and Obama. I think you’d find that if you nor…

"Even" me? You're the one who called Trump an extreme right-wing nutjob.

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Post by HillaryBriss »

coldtea wrote: post #427
HillaryBriss wrote: post #418

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with all of Trump's personal misbehaviors and misstatements, I'm guessing it's hard for them not to feel embarrassed and/or awkward and/or disappointed. in short, they're demotivated: * fiscal conservatives have had to defend the guy who brought them new tax laws that increase the deficit * border wall supporters have had to support a man who just signed an omnibus spending bill which included basically no funding fo…

> fiscal conservatives have had to defend the guy who brought them new tax laws that increase the deficit On the other hand, non-fiscal conservatives should be jumping with joy. > border wall supporters have had to support a man who just signed an omnibus spending bill which included basically no funding for the wall (not to mention the lack of funding from Mexico, which Trump also promised) Well, "border wall suppor…

yeah, ok. but i still predict a Trump loss in 2020, if he's even in the race.

my overall point is that these issues are enough to keep a reasonable or perhaps substantial fraction of the previous Trump voters at home on Election Day in 2020.

by contrast, we will see a huge fraction of Trump opponents dance into the polling stations on Election Day 2020.

forecasters should not take all of these past Trump voters for granted in 2020. there's just not enough good news to make them enthusiastic.

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Post by kijin »

astura wrote: post #396
kijin wrote: post #273

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On a related note, the IRS also requires that you report and pay taxes on all the money you made by robbing banks, selling drugs, and embezzling your employer's coffers. Nobody who hasn't already been convicted will fill out those forms, of course, but that's another criminal charge if the DA wants to put you away for even longer.

The IRS and the DA are different people. The purpose of the IRS is to collect tax on income, not to punish people for obtaining that income illegally.

Sure. But if the IRS comes across evidence of tax evasion, they'll be happy to pass it along to the DA.

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Post by jdhzzz »

larkeith wrote: post #230
_acme wrote: post #198

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Under what conditions would any of these events actually occur? The government isn't going to waste resources to deport someone solely for forgetting an account; they would only go to such effort if there's another reason that they actually care about to deport that person.

The point isn't to go after everyone who fails to completely or accurately answer, but rather to provide a pretext for the deportation of people the government disfavor but lack a criminal case against; for example, an immigrant opposition leader, protestor, or whistleblower.

"Show Me The Man, And I'll Show You The Crime" - Lavrentiy Beria

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Post by dragonwriter »

HillaryBriss wrote: post #418
coldtea wrote: post #325

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> while Trump's remaining voters, who have been repeatedly embarrassed and disappointed, have as much motivation to show up at the polls as a child has to show up at a vaccination clinic. Have they been? In real life? Or was it rather the inverse (all the impeachment fantasies etc, the collusion stories endlessly appearing and fading, the economy that was "sure" to suffer, etc...).

with all of Trump's personal misbehaviors and misstatements, I'm guessing it's hard for them not to feel embarrassed and/or awkward and/or disappointed. in short, they're demotivated: * fiscal conservatives have had to defend the guy who brought them new tax laws that increase the deficit * border wall supporters have had to support a man who just signed an omnibus spending bill which included basically no funding fo…

> fiscal conservatives have had to defend the guy who brought them new tax laws that increase the deficit

Advocating for tax cuts and then using the resulting deficit increase to fuel advocacy for spending cuts has been a strategy of fiscal conservatives for decades, so this is just fiscal conservatism as usual, not something that will cause most of them problems.

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Post by downandout »

dang wrote: post #423
downandout wrote: post #261

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Isn't it always the case that the President has "disapproval" ratings around 50% though? Half the country tends to like the person they voted for, and half the country has sour grapes because their side lost. Obama's disapproval ratings also hovered above 50% at several points in his Presidency [1]. So it isn't Trump's "disapproval" ratings that are new for any President, it's the level of hatred that the press has f…

Could you please not take HN threads on partisan political tangents? I'm not sure exactly at which point we went off the rails here but your account appears to have done the largest part. It also looks like you've been using HN primarily for political battle. That's not what this site is for, and we ban accounts that do it. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/i…

The notion that my data-based response to someone else’s political comment is a “political battle” is absurd. Now you’re threatening to ban my account because I brought up a fact that happens to disagree with an incredibly liberal-skewed comment? There are many other accounts that consistently engage in the political discussions on this site, but it’s odd that I haven’t seen public threats to ban those. I’ve seen some downright hostile political comments from many accounts - but again I’ve only seen 1 publicly posted ban threat.

It seems that the political tangents are just fine, as long as they are liberal-leaning. Futher, if you look at the entire universe of my comments, maybe 1% of them have anything to do with politics (and again they aren’t the rants that most accounts are allowed to go on without the threat of banishment - they usually have references and data to back them up). If you do ban my account, you would essentially be sending the message that it’s ok to discuss political matters here, but your view on those better be leftist or you’ll face a ban.

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Post by nbdev »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #415
scottybowl wrote: post #134

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How is having a different opinion trolling?

Having a different opinion isn't trolling. But that's not what you're doing here, and most members of this board are intelligent enough to see through your petty screeds about illegal immigrants.

What "petty screeds"? You're imagining things, just like you're imagining that most people want illegal aliens in their country.

An opinion goes against your indoctrination so you cry out an accusation.

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Post by sanbor »

TOGoS wrote: post #143
komali2 wrote: post #91

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Can you elaborate?

Well, for starters, we have 2 political parties that dominate most elections. Everyone is told that if they don't like what those parties stand for they need to hold their nose and vote for the one of the two that they dislike less, lest the worse one win. My personal favorite (to draw attention to) contributing factors are: - Plurality voting (the possibility of third parties 'splitting the vote' helping otherwise g…

> we have 2 political parties that dominate most elections

Here in Argentina we use the two-round system (also known as the second ballot, runoff voting or ballotage) to avoid that issue. To win the presidential election, a candidate must get more than 45% votes or 40% AND 10% of adventage over other candidates. If this condition doesn't apply there is a next round where the candidate with most votes wins.

Imagine the following situation: You got three candidates for the elections: a. Trump (39%) b. Clinton (38%) c. Sanders (23%)

There is going to be a second round, but maybe Sanders voters are going to vote for Clinton to avoid Trump winning. In the current system Trump would have win. You could argue that in the current system Sanders voters would have voted for Clinton but maybe they thought Clinton was going to win since Trump didn't have much chanced.

With the two round system this becomes explicit.

This let's you vote for your favorite and in the second round you pick between the two big candidates.

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Post by Flenser »

downandout wrote: post #350
dragonwriter wrote: post #343

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> Were Obama’s disapproval ratings not always in the 40-55% range, which are right where Trump’s are? No, they were not always in that range, and that's a huge range; the only time Trump has been anywhere near 40% is the initial honeymoon phase, where Obama was in the 20s. > My guess is Obama’s disapproval rating would have started off far higher too if Republicans were rioting in the streets and claimed cheating in…

No, they were not always in that range, and that's a huge range They weren’t always there, but they certainly wound up there as his Presidency dragged on and things like Obamacare began to hit people’s wallets. Where it wound up is what matters, as people can’t disapprove of things that haven’t happened yet (except in Trump’s case, where some Democrats were calling for impeachment before he was inaugurated ). Yes, ma…

Here's a graph for disapproval ratings for both of them. See for yourself: https://i.imgur.com/5dk3lWg.png
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