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The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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benevol wrote: post #426
pnathan wrote: post #19

This, right here, is the consequence of the withdrawal from politics many geeks advocated very strongly in an earlier time. "Everything is corrupt, it doesn't matter"... turns out to only be a viable philosophy when things mostly work well enough . What we have in protections and freedoms were purchased through a ton of hard work by prior generations: the liberty to slack and think that it just works ok is a nice sid…

Withdrawal from politics certainly is an important factor that has made America a currently sinking ship. But the problem is more systemic. It's at the center of the culture of this society: it's the fact that MONEY (== DOMINATION) has been made the most central and culturally venerated value. To change that, a lot of suffering will have to occur, because those who benefit from MONEY (== DOMINATION) will use exactly…

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Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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Post by arca_vorago »

warlox wrote: post #306
mythrwy wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So as it's going to be a flame war apparently I've deleted the comment. I'd just like to register my opinion that I don't see Washington Post is an objective, nor even a trustworthy source at this point. When they print something it's often worth looking deeper into I believe.

> I'd just like to register my opinion that I don't see Washington Post is an objective, nor even a trustworthy source at this point. That's because you probably believe that the Illuminati or clockwork elves are real.

Or maybe its because operation mockingbird never went away and wapo is quantifiably part of that core narrative group.

Yours is the kind of negative, noncontributory comment I would'nt be surprised to see dang flag.

Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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Post by splitrocket »

tbrownaw wrote: post #303
splitrocket wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look up Duverger's law. Effectively, in a first past the post electoral system, any vote that isn't for the major party that most closely aligns with your views is a vote that supports the views least aligned with your preference. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger's_law

I just re-read that article again, and don't really see your claims in in anywhere. I can kinda see how you might draw that conclusion, but I think it's an oversimplification and not really that accurate. I do see some listed counterexamples to the "law", and also a note about occasional upsets where the parties get completely rearranged. If both major parties suck, how do I ask for an upset? Is it by fuming quietly…

I am in my phone, traveling.

The Wikipedia page is a tremendously short summary, and yes, doesn't go into depth about the implications of duverger's law.

I strongly suggest digging into the literature around it, which does bear out the thesis I states above.

If both parties suck equally and no party is more closely aligned to your preferences than another, I suggest you enter politics yourself. It's just made up of people not too different from yourself.

Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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Post by darasen »

SteveNuts wrote: post #59

Not that I'm necessarily OK with either, but what's the difference between this and the myriad of other sites that are collecting your browser habits/search history and selling it? I'm not for this at all vote at all, and I'm not sure why Trump supporters are, I'm just trying to come up with a good argument for why it's worse.

There is no difference. The rule, passed along party lines by democrats in the FCC, heavily favored companies like Google and Facebook who are constantly using your data.

Those who prefer a smaller government and objected the the FCC'c huge over reach that this rule was part of.

Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

tbrownaw wrote: post #163
toss1941 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always interpreted that resignation as "both sides are terrible, so I'm going to keep voting for my side". I wonder how many people really felt strong enough about politics to claim both sides are equally bad and then decided not to vote on that basis alone.

I wonder how many people really felt strong enough about politics to claim both sides are equally bad and then decided not to vote on that basis alone. Since both sides are astonishingly bad, I usually end up voting third party in races where there is one.

There are dozens of us. Dozens!

I vote 3rd-party in every contest I can. At this point, I'd vote for a puppy dog, if it wasn't a D or an R. It makes my wife, family, and friends mad, but I will not waste my vote on the status quo. I'm voting to send a signal that I want other options.

I believe that if we can get to the point of just having a 3rd party on the platform for a presidential debate, we can open the door to other parties having a non-negligible effect on the election process. Of course, that's the Election Commision's fear as well: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09...

Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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Post by howard941 »

djur wrote: post #366
howard941 wrote: post #110

Could and should have been filibustered in the Senate edit: note Senate....

No, the Congressional Review Act provides for an expedited process that cannot be filibustered.

Ahh yes that's correct. Darn.

Re: The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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Post by Tepix »

So the GOP argues that it's unfair because streaming services and search engines can already collect this data and ISPs couldn't.

I don't understand how they fail to recognize that ISPs will

a) see all of the sites you will visit and

b) many people can't choose between ISPs because there are only a few in their area

It seems that for the GOP, as long as there is profit for corporations, they are willing to give up the privacy of the voters.

How is this different than the telephone company eavesdropping on your calls and selling the information gained to marketing companies?

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