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How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat

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Re: How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat

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Post by rhino369 »

mary_fortran wrote: post #275

The biggest problem with our health, however, is still Obesity. Just as the fat were mislead by being made to believe that "low fat == healthy" these people will be similarly think "low carb == healthy" and proceed to get obese on low-carb foods. Face it, if you're a healthy weight, by body-fat percentage, you don't have to worry about fructose vs glucose or fat vs carbs. Americans need to put their forks down. We ne…

Weight should probably be taken into account for insurance premiums. But you shouldn't single them out as the only unhealthy people in the world.

Drinkers, drug users, smokers have huge impacts. People who engage in anal sex transmit a hugely disproportionate amount of STDs.

Non-obese people who eat unhealthy are also a problem.

"They cost us money" is often just an excuse to discriminate or control other people's lives.

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Post by cm2012 »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #393
cm2012 wrote: post #309

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That is a myth. Every legitimate long term study of non surgical weight loss shows that it doesn't happen for the vast, vast majority of people. 1) ["In controlled settings, participants who remain in weight loss programs usually lose approximately 10% of their weight. However, one third to two thirds of the weight is regained within 1 year, and almost all is regained within 5 years. "]( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p…

The funny thing about all your links is this: That most people who lost weight most often times gained it back - yet you somehow think gastric surgery is the cure all when you have to make lifelong changes to your diet and lifestyles and be even more diligent in doing so? The weight loss for gastric patients levels off after 18-24 months, far shorter than the 5 year mark you use to measure success. I'm not sure how y…

Surgery works with a 5 year timeline too, for the average person. The average person does not succeed any other way. It's not impossible - 5% of people in these studies succeed - which is why you see anecdotes like yours.

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Post by sliverstorm »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #352
adrianggg wrote: post #273

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A really smart guy said to me once something like, “if you are smart and have money and you don't eat well then you are not smart”. I can't remember the exact quote but the sentiment really stuck with me. Look I'm no expert but I'm telling you the results are outrageous. Please do your own research as I only really have a school boy understanding of how this affects the body. My skin cleared up, my ailments all disap…

And just to show that the other way works as well: Your diet would be havok for my insides. I simply cannot digest fat from meat very well. I'm mostly vegetarian, and eat a lot of legumes and dairy and grains and bread, vegetables and the occasional fruit. I eat fish (trout, usually) once a week for health purposes. I usually only drink water or black coffee. My main mode of transportation are my feet. I also general…

I'm curious, do you have a malfunctioning or removed gall bladder?

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Post by ThrustVectoring »

markus2012 wrote: post #383
ThrustVectoring wrote: post #129

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Cellular, wifi, and bluetooth radiation poses zero risk. You can stand inside the path of a microwave communication dish and receive many orders of magnitude more radiation, and what it'll do is make you warm. That's it. Soviet soldiers used to do that in Siberia to keep themselves warm, and the only risk is the dish outputting too much power and cooking you instead.

The first day in radar class the instructor put a piece of steel wool in front of a small dish and it instantly melted white and dropped molten metal onto the floor. It always made me nervous when the class goofballs turned the horns on other people so you could feel the microwaves. Goofball 1: 'accidentally' radiates goofball 2 Goofball 2: What? What are you doing? Oh, I'll show you - just watch me increase the powe…

Yeah, there's definitely dangerous ways to use microwave emitters. But my point is that your instructor thought that it was relatively safe to give them out in radar class. If they were x-ray emitters, on the other hand...

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Post by vacri »

adrianggg wrote: post #273
adrianggg wrote: post #182

I rarely say anything is black and white in this world but sugar is in my opinion. Without any doubt in my mind. Recently in the last 3 months I gave up sugar, hard core, it's hard but the benefits are out of this world. I was healthy and active. I ate healthy, or so I thought. Boy was I wrong and mis informed. I had heard theories so I decided to check them out. I went all out to avoid sugar for a couple of weeks ju…

A really smart guy said to me once something like, “if you are smart and have money and you don't eat well then you are not smart”. I can't remember the exact quote but the sentiment really stuck with me. Look I'm no expert but I'm telling you the results are outrageous. Please do your own research as I only really have a school boy understanding of how this affects the body. My skin cleared up, my ailments all disap…

> I can't even drink a soda

Given that you call it 'soda', you're probably American... in which case, American sodas are disgusting, because they're made with HFCS instead of sugar. :)

It's still 'sugars', but it's not 'sugar' as the public calls it. I'm someone who eats too much sweet, sweet sugar, and I can't drink an American soda.

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Post by sliverstorm »

hx87 wrote: post #232
kmonsen wrote: post #213

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So what did you actually eat? It seems like sugar is everywhere these days.

Amen to that--what is 8g of sugar doing in a serving of /pasta sauce/?

If you look around, there's sauce on shelves now without lots of added sugar. It's been gradual over many years, but I'm starting to find more choices of various foods that have a shorter ingredients list, less salt, less sugar, etc.

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Post by kahrkunne »

stevenwiles wrote: post #413
smnplk wrote: post #388

you sir are my hero.

please avoid making comments like this. you do not contribute to the discussion and you embarrass yourself.

please avoid making comments like this. you do not contribute to the discussion and you embarrass yourself

Re: How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat

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Post by truth_sentinell »

s_kilk wrote: post #368
adrianggg wrote: post #273

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A really smart guy said to me once something like, “if you are smart and have money and you don't eat well then you are not smart”. I can't remember the exact quote but the sentiment really stuck with me. Look I'm no expert but I'm telling you the results are outrageous. Please do your own research as I only really have a school boy understanding of how this affects the body. My skin cleared up, my ailments all disap…

I'm sold, it's no/low sugar from now on.

off topic: People have reported very similar benefits by quitting masturbation and porn, so imagine what would be like if you quit porn and sugar. You'll be a superhuman!

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Post by MaysonL »

e40 wrote: post #211
BigThrowaway88 wrote: post #200

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Turns out the benefits of flossing are not backed by research. Largely manufactured by industry: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f7e66079d9ba4b4985d7af350619a...

I really don't believe this. The spaces between my teeth are very small, and without flossing, brushing can't clean out the food that gets wedged in there. I've actually flossed after brushing (with a Sonicare) and I still remove food with the floss.

I picked up a pack of 10 (count them 10) interstitial toothbrushes at the 99¢ store. One of the best dollars I ever spent. Brand name: "Aim interdental brush". They work just about as well as flossing (I still keep some floss stick around for the occasional piece of stuff that gets stuck that these don't get out). Their business end looks like a tiny artificial Christmas tree, with a small plastic handle.

Re: How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat

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Post by Jemmeh »

grecy wrote: post #347
nikmobi wrote: post #288

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I really like this response and I do truly believe that cutting out or minimizing sugar is a truly beneficial thing. But when I got to this: > I can't even drink a soda, I spit it out as the most disgusting thing imaginable I had a hard time taking the rest of your comment seriously. I can understand it being too sweet to your now adjusted taste buds, but calling it the most disgusting thing imaginable is just plain…

> I can understand it being too sweet to your now adjusted taste buds, but calling it the most disgusting thing imaginable is just plain wrong. Try the 'ol "Grandma Test" on it: If you had served your Grandma (or maybe great-Gramdma) with a glass of fizzy black liquid, that you poured out of a shiny metal container, do you think she would have drunk it? I mean, honestly, that would be like putting a glass of used eng…

My grandma drinks quite a lot of cola. .-.
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