The average size of Web pages is now the average size of a Doom install

Post by Maakuth » Sat, Apr 23, 2016, 12:00 PM UTC

Razengan wrote: post #304

jessriedel wrote: post #15

I'm skeptical that developers talking to each other about how bad web bloat is will change anything. They will still face the same incentives in terms of ad revenue, costs of optimization, etc. Here's a random idea that might have more potential: create an adblocker browser plugin that also colors URLs based on how slow they are expected to load, e.g., smoothly from blue to red. The scores could be centrally calculat…

I think a more radical departure is needed. It's about time to acknowledge that the web is increasingly being used to access full-blown applications more often than "webpages." Web browsers have more or less become mini operating systems, running elaborate virtual machines. There's way too much complexity for everyone involved — from web devs and browser devs to the users and the people who maintain the standards, th…

Post by SixSigma » Sat, Apr 23, 2016, 12:41 PM UTC

kevincox wrote: post #150

newjersey wrote: post #104

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What if the checksum was the same and you accepted the cache hit if the checksum agrees and get your own copy if it doesn't? Maybe the application should get to declare a canonical URL for the js file instead of the browser? So something like https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.12.2/jquery.m... sha-256="31be012d5df7152ae6495decff603040b3cfb949f1d5cf0bf5498e9fc117d546"> Would this cause more problems than i…

It would be interesting if browsers start implementing a content-addressable cache. So as well as caching resource by URI also cache by hash. Then SRI requests could be served even if the URL was different. Of course this would need a proposal or something but it would be interesting to consider.

Post by Eerie » Sat, Apr 23, 2016, 1:23 PM UTC

komali2 wrote: post #198

Eerie wrote: post #166

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>Apollo software got us to the moon. Doom wasted millions of man-hours on a video game. How many millions of man-hours Apollo project wasted for a PR stunt?

Even if you could argue that Apollo was nothing more than a "PR Stunt", what is the issue with it being that? From a nationalism perspective, there's a tremendous advantage to be gained from plugging an entire generation with patriotism from a moon landing.

Post by anthk » Sat, Apr 23, 2016, 2:10 PM UTC

Razengan wrote: post #304

jessriedel wrote: post #15

I'm skeptical that developers talking to each other about how bad web bloat is will change anything. They will still face the same incentives in terms of ad revenue, costs of optimization, etc. Here's a random idea that might have more potential: create an adblocker browser plugin that also colors URLs based on how slow they are expected to load, e.g., smoothly from blue to red. The scores could be centrally calculat…

I think a more radical departure is needed. It's about time to acknowledge that the web is increasingly being used to access full-blown applications more often than "webpages." Web browsers have more or less become mini operating systems, running elaborate virtual machines. There's way too much complexity for everyone involved — from web devs and browser devs to the users and the people who maintain the standards, th…

Post by hippich » Sat, Apr 23, 2016, 3:19 PM UTC

alexpersian wrote: post #281

jessriedel wrote: post #15

I'm skeptical that developers talking to each other about how bad web bloat is will change anything. They will still face the same incentives in terms of ad revenue, costs of optimization, etc. Here's a random idea that might have more potential: create an adblocker browser plugin that also colors URLs based on how slow they are expected to load, e.g., smoothly from blue to red. The scores could be centrally calculat…

Something that would be more effective is if Google began factoring page load speeds in their rankings just like they did for mobile optimization.