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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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I love both BitBucket and GitLab, have no issues with either.

I'm administrating a small-ish Gitlab server and we have to reboot it every week or else it will fail in random and weird ways due to OOM - the machine has 8GB of RAM and 20 active users, so WTF? Isn't the entire point of git to have one pretty dumb server acting as a file server and letting the client do the work?!

That sounds really strange. What version are you running?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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I would expect more from a tech company that is supposed to be by programmers for programmers. Programmers are abstract thinkers, and it's disgusting to see them lower themselves and adopt the semantics and memes of obvious cultural constructs like race. What does it even mean to be "white"? Who exactly are they talking about and what is it about this group of people that is so bad? There's no need to bring in this g…

> Programmers are abstract thinkers, and it's disgusting to see them lower themselves and adopt the semantics and memes of obvious cultural constructs like race.

You have to be joking. This is sarcasm, right?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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post #390

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I don't know if you even need to see the whole presentation. A few of the full sentences on that one slide are more than enough to project a strong us vs them attitude of hatred and victim versus oppressor, especially the following bullets: - "This is not work for white folks to lead" - "Some of the biggest barriers to progress are white women" - "we need solidarity with our Asian friends and colleagues" This is blat…

- "This is not work for white folks to lead" This one I actually don't think is so bad, in context. The title of the slide is "Diversity and Inclusion in Tech". It is difficult for someone that is not part of a minority to spearhead efforts to outreach to one, because they don't experience the same issues. Literally, they don't have the right experience for the job. It's a stretch as a comparison, but no-one gets sue…

I'm a white person. My family came from Cuba with the clothes on their backs 50 years ago. Everything they ever had was taken by the Communists. Like millions of other Cubans, they came here with nothing and had to rebuild their lives. I grew up in a very unique environment, the Cuban-American community in Miami. I'd say that's a pretty "diverse" background. But I guarantee that in Github's book, I'm one of the "white folks" that shouldn't be leading this.

I'm sick of this politics of division. It pits people against each other and treats them as members of some helpless group instead of as individual human beings, with their own unique story and their own untapped potential.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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I've always been profoundly confused by people/groups who choose to fight racism with racism. I'm not quite sure that's the best corrective path for this problem. But everyone lets it slide, at least here in the US. Are we just scared?

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster." It's an inherent problem that as you fight something, you tend to mirror it. You almost have to do so in order to be effective. The problem is that at some point, it just feeds the cycle.

MLK, Jr. didn't mirror it, nor did he need to.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

Flat != Meritocracy Hierarchy != Non-meritocracy You can have hierarchy and still be based on productivity and merit.

Right? I thought conflating those disparate concepts was very weird.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Hold on. Before we make judgment based solely on mentioning race in a slide. I highly recommend reading Nicole Sanchez's full take on the issue here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/2015/02/12/wome...

Too late. The pitchforks are out, the angry nerd mob is on a crusade now.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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How is it 2016 and an audience mostly based in California still needs a remedial critical race theory class

Elaborate.

"Racism" is a system where a racial group with a monopoly on power in society arranges the rules of that society to continue priveleging their own racial group. "Bigotry" is when you dislike someone because of their race. And the comments that everyone on HN are getting all in their feelings about are neither bigoted nor racist; they are basic, uncontroversial observations from people who have been doing anti-racist and anti-sexist work since before most members of HN's audience had heard either of those terms.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Now you can self-host BitBucket also with BitBucket Server[1]. We're starting a migration to it at my work right now. [1] https://www.atlassian.com/software/bitbucket/download

bitbucket server (used to be called stash) has practically no search capability. it's the underappreciated killer feature of github IMO

We've recently started using it at work and the lack of profiles and graphs (without paying for oddly priced plugins) is quite unfortunate as well.

It was quite disappointing, especially since Gitlabs was on the table as an option but we opted for Bitbucket since we added JIRA a couple years ago.

If the smart people here have any suggestions on how to make Bitbucket look more line GitHub, I'd love to hear.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

GitHub has, since the Horvath incident, made it pretty clear what kind of person they want to hire. And, frankly, that's fine. There are plenty of places where I, as a competent white male, can get hired and promoted without difficulty. The fact that Github isn't one of those is not a systematic problem. More power to them.

You may not have a problem with it, but hiring based on gender or race is illegal.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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post #379

I would expect more from a tech company that is supposed to be by programmers for programmers. Programmers are abstract thinkers, and it's disgusting to see them lower themselves and adopt the semantics and memes of obvious cultural constructs like race. What does it even mean to be "white"? Who exactly are they talking about and what is it about this group of people that is so bad? There's no need to bring in this g…

"We need to start learning how to simply NOT THINK about race, and NOT MENTION IT." We live in a world where this is not remotely possible. Suggesting it is the worst sort of idealism.
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