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Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by jancborchardt »

ultramancool wrote: post #257
cuonic wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a good IMAP webmail client I recommend Rainloop: http://www.rainloop.net/

Yeah I use it in some places actually but unless I'm missing something, you can't connect to multiple accounts, see them simultaneously and get notifications on all of them.

While we’re still at a pretty early pre-release version, we already do multiple accounts and unified inbox with ownCloud Mail: https://github.com/owncloud/mail

If you do try it, please let us know of your feedback in the issue tracker! :)

(And that is, you can also run ownCloud with the Mail app locally. We’re working on improved caching.)

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by pcwalton »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #428
pcwalton wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presto wasn't released until 2003. In the late '90s, the time frame this thread is about, it was well known that the layout engines at the time were not dynamic: they could not in general reflow only parts of the page. Everything else I mentioned in the post that triggered this subthread is obvious simply based on browser engine and OS history.

Architecture != functionality.

I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore. Do you dispute this?

> (Netscape 4/Opera/IE) didn't have a JIT, didn't use hardware accelerated layers, trapped into kernel mode for GDI calls, didn't use accelerated SIMD for painting, and didn't have HTTP 2. It barely had any optimizations for dynamic restyling, so tons of stuff would get reflowed when it didn't have to.

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by ZenoArrow »

pcwalton wrote: post #432
ZenoArrow wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Architecture != functionality.

I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore. Do you dispute this? > (Netscape 4/Opera/IE) didn't have a JIT, didn't use hardware accelerated layers, trapped into kernel mode for GDI calls, didn't use accelerated SIMD for painting, and didn't have HTTP 2. It barely had any optimizations for dynamic restyling, so tons of stuff would get reflowed when it didn't have to.

The internal structure of a program = architecture.

The features of a program = functionality.

So we're getting our wires crossed due to word choice.

In any case, I'll admit this has dragged on long enough. Truce?

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by grinich »

dcposch wrote: post #398
johnsonjo wrote: post #345

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I saw this on hacker news a while ago but it seems like a great alternative to thunderbird. I've used it and I really like the look and feel of it compared to thunderbird. I'm pretty sure I saw an option for IMAP too. It's called N1 and it's from Nylas. https://www.nylas.com/n1

Nylas is a beautiful app and, by design, easily extensible. As a result, I think that it has a better chance than other open source mail clients of providing an experience that's as polished and complete as Gmail. Doing that requires a bunch of affordances like calendar integration, Youtube previews, warning if you forgot to add an attachment, 10-second "undo send", and so on. Letting the community write those as add…

N1 actually works offline. Obviously it won't fetch new mail, but you can read, archive, compose, and search for local messages. When you reconnect, those tasks will persist to the backend and Gmail/iCloud/Exchange.

Search is definitely an area we can make dramatic improvements, and we're working on it.

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Post by krisdol »

creshal wrote: post #39
krisdol wrote: post #9

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I'd give evolution another shot. I find it to be the only enterprise-ready one

If by "enterprise-ready" you mean "slow, bloated, and byzantine", then yes, it fits that ecosystem perfectly. But despite being a single-threaded, half-XML-half-C cancerous pile of dirty hacks, Thunderbird is still faster and more stable – not to mention more extensible – than Evolution could ever hope to be.

No, by enterprise-ready I mean it works better than others at integration with various Exchange accounts, including calendar scheduling and contact lists.

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by krisdol »

feld wrote: post #249
creshal wrote: post #200

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The original Rust compiler was written in… OCaml. Nowadays it's self-hosting.

And OCaml is written in C. Also, there's an awful lot of llvm involved in compiler-rt on github. To think you can evade C on a Unix box is very wishful thinking. You can't escape C-generated bytecode in your stack. It's bound to be somewhere.

Seeing as much of the kernel is written in it, of course. Working efficiently with raw memory pointers requires an unsafe language. Even Windows is written in C/C++

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by bovermyer »

g8oz wrote: post #279
bovermyer wrote: post #188

Thunderbird is still a thing people use? That's probably the biggest news to me.

I suppose you use webmail supplied by a corporation. With all your old messages available for scanning when they or the government see fit. Some of us are not okay with that.

You suppose incorrectly. Leave your assumptions at the door.

I use Fastmail as my email host, and Airmail as my client. I have one eye on Nylas N1 as a potential future cross-platform email client.

Re: Mozilla Wants To Split Off Its Thunderbird Email/Chat Client

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Post by grahamjperrin »

yunesj wrote: post #422
ultramancool wrote: post #195

I think this is the 3rd time I've heard Thunderbird is/is going to be unmaintained and that I should avoid it, but I'm yet to see a good alternative. Claws was crashy and didn't DPI scale properly on Windows, OS X Mail had strange behavior with my IMAP server and I just wanted a consistent UI with my Windows and Linux system. My next option is webmail but there's no good IMAP webmail client that seems to be able to h…

Check out MailMate! It's great! It's a robust IMAP client that has cross account message rules, smart filters, blocking external images, OpenPGP, Google's wonky IMAP implementation, great support, and a lot more. http://freron.com/

It's great, but not the fastest client in/on OS X. For me, Mail is faster. YMMV.
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