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Re: Reddit

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Post by patcon » Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 9:09 PM UTC

walterbell wrote: post #363

patcon wrote: post #344

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I keep fantasizing about some sort of inception-like system where you could go "deeper" below each subreddit when you chose to, finding a smaller subset of people who'd also gone deeper out of dissatisfaction with convo quality. Maybe it would be one-way gate where you couldn't go back to participate on upper levela. Maybe you comments would still show up above, but the votes in the deeper level would be tallied rela…

How many people are needed to fork a pocket universe, and how would others decide which fork to follow? It's a subset of the discovery issue.

Fork? More like a dive? If /r/worldnews level 1 gets bad, you just click "go deeper" button. After confirmation, you're now in /r/worldnews level 2 whenever logged in. You don't see comments from level 1 folks, and their votes don't affect the conversation and order int level 2. Same for every subsequent level.

Also allows friends to say "I gawd, this place is terrible. Let's leave it all behind. I'll meet you in level 22?" They then hold hands and take the irreversible plunge into the unknown ;)

Re: Reddit

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Post by JabavuAdams » Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 9:21 PM UTC

ebfe wrote: post #94

kyro wrote: post #9

Exciting news. One thing I sincerely hope reddit will do with the new injection is to increase the level of quality of content and discussion across the board. Often the advice given is "you've got to find the smaller subreddits" and while that's true, I think having the first few layers filled with terrible content and hive-minded, often racist/sexist discussion is incredibly detrimental to both the site's image and…

>I think having the first few layers filled with terrible content and hive-minded, often racist/sexist discussion. Relative to what? Are YouTube and Yahoo bastions of intellectualism and racial tolerance? If you really think that Reddit's issue is that the quality of discussion is too low, you need to take another look at any other site on the internet.

Relative to what it was. I was on reddit at the beginning, and it was much higher quality than the default, now. It's like the eternal September all over again.

But, this is a natural progression. Not sure what to do about it except to form exclusive communities. While the fact that reddit has hit the mainstream means that there are some interesting AMAs and experiences to be discovered, it also means that reddit got dumb -- because the main-stream is dumb.

Re: Reddit

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Post by Semaphor » Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 9:25 PM UTC

tobylane wrote: post #420

Semaphor wrote: post #219

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That's not true, mods can opt out of becoming a default and at least in some cases the admins talk to the mods first anyway. edit: http://i.imgur.com/IbiMa8g.png

That image related to posts from that subreddit being seen in /r/all. Automoderater puts /r/all flair on such posts in certain subreddits.

The highlighted part is only 15 words. Why stop reading after 7?

Re: Reddit

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Post by sltkr » Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 9:27 PM UTC

majani wrote: post #381

golemotron wrote: post #320

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There should be a reddit of subreddits - a way to vote them up and down in order to determine the defaults.

the same effect can be had by making trending subs the defaults. Part of me thinks this could be the solution, but another part of me thinks there's no way they've gone nine years without having tried that already...

I think the problem with that is that subs like /r/thefappening popping up by default is kind of a PR nightmare. From the perspective of attracting new users it's great, though.

Re: Reddit

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Post by doginabathtub » Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 9:39 PM UTC

Semaphor wrote: post #219

fourstar wrote: post #205

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Mods don't decide to make a subreddit a default, admins do.

That's not true, mods can opt out of becoming a default and at least in some cases the admins talk to the mods first anyway. edit: http://i.imgur.com/IbiMa8g.png

This is true. I am a moderator for /r/mildlyinteresting and two weeks before we became a default, we were asked if we wanted to opt-out. It was hotly-debated between the moderators for about a week and any one of us could have answered the admin, but we put it to a vote and ended up becoming a default.

Re: Reddit

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Post by leovan » Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 11:17 PM UTC

mreiland wrote: post #415

apozem wrote: post #350

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Memes, inside jokes and other fluff content are good for attracting new users and light entertainment. That makes sense. What we're saying is that such low-effort content gets old. Users get bored after a while and want something thoughtful and novel. If reddit does not come up with a way to provide such content (without the constant slide toward the lowest common denominator), it may have trouble holding users.

That wasn't the point. The point is the default reddits draw people in specifically by magnetizing them on an issue and getting them to discuss it vehemently. Also, I've been a part of reddit for 7 years now, and was a part of digg before that. I've watched reddit grown. about 3-4 years ago, IIRC, there was a rather large bucking back from the "old hands" onto the new because they viewed reddit as the "smart digg". u…

great insight wrapped in ad hominem douchery

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Re: Reddit

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Post by walterbell » Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 11:53 PM UTC

patcon wrote: post #421

walterbell wrote: post #363

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How many people are needed to fork a pocket universe, and how would others decide which fork to follow? It's a subset of the discovery issue.

Fork? More like a dive? If /r/worldnews level 1 gets bad, you just click "go deeper" button. After confirmation, you're now in /r/worldnews level 2 whenever logged in. You don't see comments from level 1 folks, and their votes don't affect the conversation and order int level 2. Same for every subsequent level. Also allows friends to say "I gawd, this place is terrible. Let's leave it all behind. I'll meet you in lev…

How would friends coordinate their simultaneous exit without being observed by the people they want to leave behind? Would you allow more than one group of friends to leave the same level, or do they first have to migrate to level 2, then immediately to level 3?

Re: Reddit

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Post by orionblastar » Thu, Oct 02, 2014, 12:42 AM UTC

Actually the problem with Reddit are low-functioning people who join subreddits for the attention and trolling. Most of them a griefers and almost all of them are looking for porn and other stuff like that.

I have a few small subreddits I get on that seem to be free of that:

http://www.reddit.com/r/DiscordianHumanism/

http://www.reddit.com/r/OS2/

http://www.reddit.com/r/artificial/

http://www.reddit.com/r/KindleFreebies/

http://www.reddit.com/r/ebookdeals/

http://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/

http://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/

You will find better content on those Subreddits even if they don't have a lot of members on them like the others that are so popular that they get the low functioning trolls and attention seekers who cause only trouble.

The DiscordianHumanism subreddit was created because of the trolls on Atheism and SecurlarHumanism and sort of combines Discordianism with Humanism for a different take on the world, etc.

A lot of the subreddits where you ask for advice, you often get bad advice and a groupmind who votes up bad advice and votes down good advice. This is because the low functioning people outnumber the mid-functioning and high-functioning people. You will find a lot of the low-functioning people are under 18, and posting from their parent's basement with no supervision.

Re: Reddit

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Post by orionblastar » Thu, Oct 02, 2014, 12:57 AM UTC

ebfe wrote: post #216

zethraeus wrote: post #206

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Not identifying as a feminist or not being a feminist? You can identify however you want, but if you're truly not sexist, you're a feminist as far as I can tell.

The word "feminist" is more commonly understood to mean a supporter of the modern women's advocacy movement, rather than anyone who believes in equality of the sexes. Imagine a Republican telling you that "Republican" is defined as someone who supports natural human rights, and therefore anyone who truly supports natural human rights is a Republican. The feminist definition of "feminism" is inaccurate for the same re…

I believe the correct term is humanist. A humanist wants equal rights for all human beings and not just certain groups based on certain characteristics. Does not claim one group is superior to another.

Feminism used to be different, it used to be like humanism, now I see it as a tool to tear down white straight men and claim women are superior and deserve special treatment. I didn't always have that view, but after seeing a lot of Feminist groups attacking Hacker News using hoaxes and untrue statements I eventually came to that conclusion. I have never seen Hacker News or YC discriminate against women, and anyone who posts a sexist statement gets downvoted.

I think on 4Chan and Reddit a lot of these sexist men are really boys under 18 who are not mature yet and hide behind an anonymous name to lobby death and rape threats at women. I just don't see that in Hacker News or YC, when men are mature they don't do those sorts of things.

So yes sexism does exist and there are issues, but not everywhere. The word Feminism in itself is sexist because it only mentions the female gender and there are more than male and female genders out there. Hence Humanism would be a better name or Equalism because it does not mention gender.

I want to state that equal rights is different from special rights and entitlements. If anyone wants a career in IT, they have to study hard at math and science, they have to work for years to become an expert sometimes as many as 15 years. You can't just avoid studying hard, blow off math and science, and then study arts instead and then claim you are owned a job in IT because of your gender. If you want a job in IT, study math and science instead of art, keep learning and gaining experience over the years to become better so you can get a job. Communication is a key, and about 80% of the job. If you cannot communicate with others effectively and keep using the terms mansplaining when something is over your head and you need help with, it isn't going to help the team and make you look bad.

Admiral Grace Hopper, Ada Augusta Lovelace, Sister Mary Kenneth Keller, and many others studied hard, worked hard, developed the experience and skills they needed and didn't have anything handed to them, or were entitled to anything, or required special treatment. They just studied math and science, studied hard, worked hard, and reached their potential to develop the experience and skills they needed to do what they did.

Re: Reddit

#430

Post by diminoten » Thu, Oct 02, 2014, 6:55 PM UTC

danw3 wrote: post #409

diminoten wrote: post #259

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Your vote isn't supposed to matter, not any more than anyone else's vote. That's the entire premise of democracy, in fact, a fact that's completely and utterly ruined by the arbitrary nature of moderation. The idea that you'd ever go to reddit.com or reddit.com/r/foo and see nothing but gems is a pipe dream. You're asking other people to do your work for you. You are the one who's supposed to contribute your up/downv…

>You're asking other people to do your work for you. Yes, I am. >You are the one who's supposed to contribute your up/downvote. But that's the problem. My upvote / downvote doesn't matter. If I'm in r/funny it doesn't matter how often I downvote unfunny things - the sub will still be inundated with garbage posts - subjectivity of humor aside. I don't mean "That joke didn't make me laugh", I mean there is nothing with…

Your vote matters exactly as much as it should matter. Why should you (or anyone else, including moderators) get any more of a say than anyone else? What have the moderators done to qualify themselves?

You're visiting a work in progress, not a completed product.