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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

10 Aug 2026 14:49:05 UTC | Mark Zuckerberg Lays Out New AI Vision in 6,500-Word Essay | https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/mark-zuckerberg-lays-out-new-ai-... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49244449

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Post by echelon »

amarcheschi wrote: post #291
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s obvious? They still hate us and hope we die… at least every movement they make seems like that. I kid. I’m all for meta releasing more open weight models. I mean… I’m also 1000% certain that China is going to undercut whatever they can do if even not a technology reason but a legal reason. I’ve seen some wild stuff posted that has been made with Minimax… things a US company could never allow to happen.

>wild stuff posted that has been made with Minimax… things a US company could never allow to happen. Such as?

Minimax has NO filters of any kind, and it's roughly Veo/Sora-quality.

You can generate a video of just about any thought in your head at all.

IP holders and politicians will not like that.

Granted, human artists have always been capable of this. It's just never been worth it to bring most ideas into fruition. Now there's minimal cost to do so.

Early Sora, Grok Imagine, and Seedance 2.0 had few filters. Disney, Nintendo, et al. eventually stopped them all from using their IP, which made the appeal fade for a lot of users.

Kling and Nano Banana can still generate IP oddly enough.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by soraminazuki »

basch wrote: post #345
soraminazuki wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't see that as exploitation, then we have much bigger issues to discuss. Like baseline ethics.

He would have to be using the social security numbers for some nefarious purpose for it to be exploitation. He was merely commenting on the ridiculousness of their availability. If you don’t see that, you’re reading your bias and postconcieved notions into the situation.

> He was merely commenting on the ridiculousness of their availability.

Even by your own words, Zuckerberg knew the situation he actively created was bad. "He's merely admitting his guilt" just confirms what I said.

> you’re reading your bias and postconcieved notions into the situation

The world must look very biased against you when you're trying to put a positive spin on Mark Zuckerberg being a jerk.

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Post by solenoid0937 »

skohan wrote: post #162
overfeed wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...drag it into a standards committee to either devalue it or slow the leader down Anthropic et al recently proposed a supranational AI governing body designed to slow everyone down (euphemistically calling it "AI pacing"). Are the Pacer signatories losing?

That could be a move towards regulatory capture. Enact standards that they (and OpenAI) largely control, block access to Chinese models in the US, and effectively prevent challengers from catching up. At the same time they slow down the arms race, so they can back off on training Capex without losing their lead.

Literally nothing in their proposal is about blocking access to Chinese models, HN has devolved so much with these conspiratorial hot takes.

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Post by solenoid0937 »

cmiles8 wrote: post #295
cdata wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly prefer a world where open models "win," that said... I don't understand how we will sustain an ecosystem of open models like the one that exists today. My thoughts go down this path every time I try to put the pieces together: - Many open models depend on high quality frontier models as a distillation input - US closed frontier models drive China's open model strategy despite the business model for open mo…

Wouldn’t be that different from open source software, which has been very successful in many circles. You make money from value-add on top of the models not the models themselves.

Open source software does not require trillions of dollars in R&D to produce the next iteration

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Post by solenoid0937 »

microtonal wrote: post #43
moomin wrote: post #22

The truth is all frontier models are closed. This isn't even an open source vs open weights thing. Even if you accepted that open weights are "open" the capital requirements for running your own Kimi 3 model are significant. It's not like gcc, where the binary just works well enough on random hardware.

Even if I cannot run open weight models on my own hardware, I can choose from a number of different inference providers and choose them based on pricing, reliability, speed, privacy policy, etc. There is a healthy competition. Also, not a single provider can pull the rug if I'd like to use a particular model.

Sure but that's true with the closed models as well. They run on different providers and you can choose the cloud provider you prefer.

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Post by starkshift »

kylecazar wrote: post #25
ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

Most probably believe this is a good thing, but don't want to give Zuckerberg credit because a) he's had a profoundly negative impact on society and b) the strategy is transparent, he's trying to commoditize his closed rivals, it's not out of principle. I personally think more open models are a good thing regardless of motive.

The essential principle of free market economics is that good things may be done for selfish reasons and that this in itself is actually good

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Post by edukite »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #194
twright wrote: post #187

This paragraph is wild. > As a thought experiment, imagine only one person had a superintelligent lawyer. They would have an unfair advantage in court -- even if they were wrong on the merits. That would lead to a worse society. But now imagine everyone has a superintelligent lawyer. In this case, justice would be carried out much more fairly and efficiently than it is today when there is often an imbalance in skills…

Yes but if lawyer was "just a bit of AI" you can run at fraction of the cost of hiring law firm, you couldn't just drown them as easily. > Whoever has more money can drown someone in court filings and court fees and then drop their case financially ruining someone. and where the money is going ? to the lawyers ...

Only in a world were AI companies can subsidize AI usage indefinitely. In reality AI is not cheap and larger & more potent model it's usage costs is more expensive

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Post by alex1138 »

andrewchilds wrote: post #344
objektif wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are definitely evil ones but there are okish ones as well.

read Careless People by Sarah Wynn-Williams and see if you still consider them “okish”.

That book is hilarious. In a bad way. (Not the book. I mean that it's a bit tragic) Zuck refuses to meet with WORLD LEADERS in the morning because he's tired from the night before. Kaplan can't even find certain countries on a map (head of global policy). Zuck changes a speech midway through to talk about "We'll give Facebook to refugees"

The internet is this vast, intellectual (in the academic, university, .edu sense), cypherpunk, government/activist... thing. It should be interesting. Instead the best we have for social networking is Mark "they trust me; dumb fucks" Zuckerberg and you getting banned from the site at any time for any reason

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Post by mhviraf »

Not a Meta fan per say but their contribution to open source has always been great. Examples include PyTorch (has had huge impact on velocity of ML research), Llama models, segment anything, many notable research papers from FAIR, etc. I never thought I would say this but I’m with Zuck on this. The call for slowing down AI development for safety seems like an excuse for reducing opex for training better models to stay relevant.
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