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Post by make3 »

mrhottakes wrote: post #187
make3 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about the claim of whether these companies could develop a similarly powerful model without larger companies building their own first, which is an important point, and it's likely not the case. It's also about the larger companies explaining why they can't be as efficient, of course they can't, they're not just ripping the outputs of another model that someone else invested billions to train.

> they're not just ripping the outputs of another model that someone else invested billions to train. True, they're simply ripping the inputs that humanity invested thousands of years and trillions of dollars to produce.

no argument from me here

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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JumpCrisscross wrote: post #414

"Samuel Slater (June 9, 1768 – April 21, 1835) was an early English-American industrialist known as the 'Father of the American Industrial Revolution', a phrase coined by Andrew Jackson, and the 'Father of the American Factory System'. In the United Kingdom, he was called 'Slater the Traitor' and 'Sam the Slate' because he brought British textile technology to the United States, modifying it for American use. He memo…

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Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by skybrian »

joshuamorton wrote: post #366
Bratmon wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like this comment because its argument only makes sense if you assume that the entire world's output of books and art did not require a huge amount of resources and expertise to make, nor did it add any value. It's the most CS-major take ever!

I don't think that's what it's saying at all. It's saying that there's a level of creativity in model creation that isn't present in distillation.

Maybe, but it's not like their AI is likely to repeat it back verbatim so it's unlikely to be a copyright violation. It seems like at most, they would be breaking Anthropic's terms of service?

Or maybe they're going through an intermediary "transfer station" that's breaking terms of service:

https://www.chinatalk.media/p/how-to-buy-cheap-claude-tokens...

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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matheusmoreira wrote: post #420
linkregister wrote: post #301

Commenters are overlooking the significance of this information and posting emotional reactions based on perceptions of fairness or feelings of schadenfreude. The economic viability of Anthropic and OpenAI rely on their being able to charge more for model access than their R&D and inference costs. If the market price for SOTA model access drops below that level, then these businesses will have to decide whether to co…

> The United States government considers US supremacy in "AI" as a national security consideration. And we foreigners consider US supremacy in AI to be an existential threat. Your "national security" is directly harmful to us. I never thought I'd say this but the chinese are starting to look like a beacon of hope for the rest of us.

If the Chinese look like a beacon of hope you then you really should be looking closer.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by ncr100 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #420
linkregister wrote: post #301

Commenters are overlooking the significance of this information and posting emotional reactions based on perceptions of fairness or feelings of schadenfreude. The economic viability of Anthropic and OpenAI rely on their being able to charge more for model access than their R&D and inference costs. If the market price for SOTA model access drops below that level, then these businesses will have to decide whether to co…

> The United States government considers US supremacy in "AI" as a national security consideration. And we foreigners consider US supremacy in AI to be an existential threat. Your "national security" is directly harmful to us. I never thought I'd say this but the chinese are starting to look like a beacon of hope for the rest of us.

Speaking for you, or All of you? How?

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by SubiculumCode »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #342
SubiculumCode wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a strong statement. I guess you are telling Machine Learning to go fuck itself.

No, Machine Learning is an unfortunate name for a well documented process for creating black-box classifiers. The process is good, the name is not.

And what, to your mind, would classify something as learning? I assume that your position is not the hard "only humans/living creatures can learn"

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

some_random wrote: post #422
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #414

"Samuel Slater (June 9, 1768 – April 21, 1835) was an early English-American industrialist known as the 'Father of the American Industrial Revolution', a phrase coined by Andrew Jackson, and the 'Father of the American Factory System'. In the United Kingdom, he was called 'Slater the Traitor' and 'Sam the Slate' because he brought British textile technology to the United States, modifying it for American use. He memo…

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> slavery, extractive colonialism, punitive expeditions, etc?

You're seriously comparing intellectual property transgressions to slavery and colonialism?

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by matheusmoreira »

some_random wrote: post #424
matheusmoreira wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The United States government considers US supremacy in "AI" as a national security consideration. And we foreigners consider US supremacy in AI to be an existential threat. Your "national security" is directly harmful to us. I never thought I'd say this but the chinese are starting to look like a beacon of hope for the rest of us.

If the Chinese look like a beacon of hope you then you really should be looking closer.

Look closer at what? USA consistently proves itself to be a terrible ally.
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