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Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality risk than sleep duration (2023)

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Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality risk than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by mancerayder »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #419
mancerayder wrote: post #107

What's missing is how much ability you have to sleep, rather than some sort of sometimes controllable factor like schedule. In my case, my brain wakes me up with anxiety one hour or more before the alarm rings (I never check time, I'm guessing). My room is always cold and relatively dark - not photo development dark, but not far. The cortisol spikes are what get me. I can drink or not drink, exercise or not exercise,…

This sounds similar to me. I get cortisol spikes throughout the day and that can interfere with my sleep. Conventional recommendation is to go see a talk therapist, but I have never really bought into it. Other thing I have seen recommended is LSD/DMT which I would have tried by now if I wasn’t married, it seems like too bug of a risk that LSD/DMT will alter my psyche in such a way that ruins my marriage which is not…

Mushrooms are not quite the same, but give you more intensity control (and are much shorter duration). And legally there is ketamine therapy.

I'm not sure if it'll completely remove the cortisol issues I have. This feels biological, maybe due to early traumas. Are psychedelics supposed to fix these? I thought it was more for depression than always-on vigilance.

Removing all real dangerous stressors (like work and house woes) would really help. I tend to be a lot more tolerant of less sleep while on vacation. That said, I spend a lot of money and time finding quieter hotel rooms or airbnbs.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality risk than sleep duration (2023)

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mancerayder wrote: post #421
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds similar to me. I get cortisol spikes throughout the day and that can interfere with my sleep. Conventional recommendation is to go see a talk therapist, but I have never really bought into it. Other thing I have seen recommended is LSD/DMT which I would have tried by now if I wasn’t married, it seems like too bug of a risk that LSD/DMT will alter my psyche in such a way that ruins my marriage which is not…

Mushrooms are not quite the same, but give you more intensity control (and are much shorter duration). And legally there is ketamine therapy. I'm not sure if it'll completely remove the cortisol issues I have. This feels biological, maybe due to early traumas. Are psychedelics supposed to fix these? I thought it was more for depression than always-on vigilance. Removing all real dangerous stressors (like work and hou…

My understanding is that LSD/DMT can “re-wire” your brain and give you an out of body experience that allows your psyche to realize what patterns are serving you and which ones are not (hence why LSD/DMT being very successful curing addicts). My theory is that early trauma and a somewhat explosive father has lead my nervous system to be on a hair trigger as a coping mechanism, if somehow I can convince my nervous system that this is no longer a necessary coping mechanism that would help.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality risk than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by piyh »

petilon wrote: post #82

Magnesium supplementation solved my sleep issues. I have seen many doctors, including sleep specialists, regarding insomnia. They all pointed to one source as the reason for the sleep issues: stress. And they all wanted to put me on prescription sleeping pills. I said no to that. Sleeping pills can cause dependence, and they often treat the symptom rather than the underlying cause. As a software developer, I am used…

>As a software developer

My man has written too many JIRA story descriptions

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality risk than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by mancerayder »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #422
mancerayder wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mushrooms are not quite the same, but give you more intensity control (and are much shorter duration). And legally there is ketamine therapy. I'm not sure if it'll completely remove the cortisol issues I have. This feels biological, maybe due to early traumas. Are psychedelics supposed to fix these? I thought it was more for depression than always-on vigilance. Removing all real dangerous stressors (like work and hou…

My understanding is that LSD/DMT can “re-wire” your brain and give you an out of body experience that allows your psyche to realize what patterns are serving you and which ones are not (hence why LSD/DMT being very successful curing addicts). My theory is that early trauma and a somewhat explosive father has lead my nervous system to be on a hair trigger as a coping mechanism, if somehow I can convince my nervous sys…

That sounds familiar to me.

Ketamine with psychotherapy has become mainstream and legal I think in a wider context, and there are different ways they do it - one is to give that heroic dose under supervision with a drip which can be a controlled administration.

Psychedelic therapy with mdma or mushrooms is only legal in very few places. Personally I find mdma is more promising for what you (we) experienced there. There's a sort of ancient wiring due to childhood threats. MDMA has been proven to help soldiers with PTSD, which I think is a big adjacent to this (the vigilance being the common facor)?

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality risk than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by atom058 »

AaronAPU wrote: post #64
elcritch wrote: post #5

Well that sucks, given I have a gene variant related to delayed sleep according to 23andme. Last year I did an experiment of sorts while unemployed for a time and found that if I just slept and woke when tired that my sleep time would naturally recess and eventually "flip" after about a month. My entire life I've wondered why I feel incredibly tired and found waking up so difficult. Turns out that if you follow your…

I had that my entire life, and then one day started having the strangest medical condition where it is literally impossible to sleep past ~6:30am. It sounds unbelievable but you’d have to experience it to understand. But the end result is it “fixed” the delayed sleep issue. I’d give just about anything to be able to just sleep and keep sleeping, but on the up side now I’m an early bird with extreme regularity and qui…

I might be ruining the joke, but are you talking about kids?

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality risk than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by xp84 »

fittingopposite wrote: post #364
xp84 wrote: post #205

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Natrol makes a 1mg gummy and Vitafusion has a peach flavored 1.5mg gummy (sold as “3mg” but the dose is “two gummies.” My kids use these. I get them on Amazon.

Way too high in my experience. Can leave you croggy and dependent. Micro dosing using drops is more effective for me without feeling groggy in the morning. Anything above 1mg is way above the natural melatonin level of our body.

Interesting. Can you share any research tips that helped you arrive at that conclusion? I don't want to overdo it. Dosages in mainstream products are often even higher than the 1.5 so it's obviously easy to go way, way too high if what you're saying is true.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality risk than sleep duration (2023)

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Post by shykes »

estearum wrote: post #29
acron0 wrote: post #3

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My thought exactly. For people who struggle with this, and conventional wisdom doesn't seem to stick, what are we supposed to do?

Lifelong severe insomniac (sleep onset mostly) and cured myself pretty much entirely over the last year or so. My suggestions in order of what I perceived to be their cost vs effectiveness ratio: 1. The Sleep With Me podcast, especially if you struggle with racing thoughts (if you have a partner who can't stand hearing this, the Ozlo Sleepbuds are a good if imperfect solution) 2. Stellar Sleep, an app that delivers C…

Thank you!
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