Maybe if you spent 2 Billions in tokens instead of 1 Zucky.
Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected
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Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected
#422Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do I write all my code with an agent now? Yes. Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not. I strongly suspect that developers moving from writing code to managing agents to write code for them is very similar to developers moving into leadership and management roles and managing ICs to write code for them. Some devs just 'get it' and thrive, leading a team really well a…
> I strongly suspect that developers moving from writing code to managing agents to write code for them is very similar to developers moving into leadership and management roles and managing ICs to write code for them. I disagree. From ICs that I lead, I expect that they learn fast. On the other hand, LLMs are basically incapable of improving. Another issue that I can see is that I don't particularly like eager new c…
> I don't particularly like eager new colleagues who come up with (hallucinate) wrong answers.
People are most likely to come up with suggestions and ideas earlier rather than later.
Often they’re not learning what is “correct” but just how to “fit in”. A fresh perspective can be good even if flawed. It can help others spark new ideas and think outside the box.
Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected
#423Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are you assuming Zuck's expectations for progress of _his_ product have anything to do with the impact of that category of product for its users?
I’m sorry, what’s the question? Genuinely not sure. I’ll rephrase, Zuckerberg would certainly enjoy agentic coding to be a wild success because it means less staff and more products he could fail to create.
It can both be a wild success and not what he expected.
Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected
#424I was worried this time last year that by this time this year, companies would have slashed their engineering teams down to a handful and everything would be driven by mostly autonomous agents with human guidance. But it just hasn't happened. Do I write all my code with an agent now? Yes. Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not. I can produce more code than I used to…
The thing is: I could produce 2-3 times as much code as before _without_ an LLM, if I didn't care about my colleagues' ability to review my output properly.
Lines of code are a liability, not an asset. You want as few of them as you can get away with, without compromising the actual asset: the functionality.
A huge part of the job of Software Engineering is producing the right amount of code at the right time.
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#425Ahh the classic bootlicker's bias, this is how oppressed developers move and click their sad cursor hoping to keep their job while they train their AI replacement!
>"For people who are comfortable, that's great, they can contribute to this kind of great human survey. To people who are not, it is not an issue,"
Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected
#426Isn't he just trying to tank competitors prices? Try to burst the bubble in a race he is way behind?
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You don't need the previous training material to customize the weights.
I don’t need the source code to randomly change bytes in the compiled Linux kernel binary either.
Source code makes it easier to modify a binary, training data doesn't make it easier to modify a trained network.
Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected
#428I was worried this time last year that by this time this year, companies would have slashed their engineering teams down to a handful and everything would be driven by mostly autonomous agents with human guidance. But it just hasn't happened. Do I write all my code with an agent now? Yes. Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not. I can produce more code than I used to…
Back in the day there was a mantra: best amount od code is 0.
Now we have agents spitting lines after lines.
I am not afraid of my future. Even if one person can do work of 5, the amount of generated code will grow exponentially. And not everything can he vibecoded with 0 knowledge. There is a complexity that need understanding to change and optimize. For now :)
Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected
#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
The weights is the source code. You are looking for design docs or something.
> The weights is the source code. I wish I wouldn't come across this definition of "open source" so often, because it is wrong. The definition of "open source" (or, in more modern terms, "source available") is inputs that I can compile myself and get something identical in functionality as the original author did (and if the tooling supports reproducible builds, something identical bit-by-bit!). An "open source" ML m…
Even if you had all that you would get completely different weights out at the end, and you also don't have the resources to "compile" an LLM because the compilation can cost $100M. If you were given the training data but not the weights, would you consider that open source?
Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected
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Absurd. We are beset on all sides with companies declaring agentic coding a failure and here you are stating as a matter of fact some teams “thrive” with this probabilistic expensive approach to approximating working code? All the while concluding with “I have no evidence for any of this”.
Agentic coding is absolutely not a failure. It's just not the 10x that CEOs really wanted it to be. We learned that some tasks don't really benefit from AI while others do. My team went from 7 people to 2 (went to new teams, no layoffs), and we're doing the same amount if not more work than we used to. Is it more draining and lacking of focused work? Yes. Is it more money for the business? Yes.
> Is it more draining and lacking of focused work?
To be completely honest, I’m living life right now. I love programming with my bare hands, but man I’m living just building a gajillion things a mile a minute with LLMs. I then come home and spend hours building stuff for myself using local models. I’ve never been so excited about just building shit, that I sometimes want to pull all nighters because I’ve been in the zone (a for work and at home).
Draining? Sorry… inject that LLM serum right into my veins