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That means is called property taxes. Datacenters pay a lot of them, and in Loudon county specifically residential property taxes have fallen as a result.
You mean they have dropped rates, or you mean that residential property values have fallen, and thus they pay less property taxes?
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Re: 45°C cooling design cuts data center water use to near zero
#422Earlier quoted context omitted.
This study doesn't factor in droughts, floods, crop death (and starvation), and other non-direct effects. It also doesn't consider wet-bulb events, because it's looking at average ambient temperatures. I don't think this is climate change propaganda, but your application of this study by evoking it in a discussion about climate change feels like it.
Deaths from all natural disasters have dramatically decreased over the last century. I won't bother sharing the source because you'll find some reason to dismiss it I'm sure. It's interesting you claim my comment is propaganda when I cite a scientific source and yet have nothing to say about the parent comment which claims we no longer need to worry about heating due to climate change. Which of those comments seems m…
I'm nearly positive that was sarcasm.
> Deaths from all natural disasters have dramatically decreased over the last century.
Because of our ability to predict them, and due to advances in scientific knowledge that allows us to more safely handle them. It's not because they've become less deadly. They're also becoming more frequent, and deaths alone isn't their only problem. They also drive loss of shelter, migrations, economic damage, etc.
> you claim my comment is propaganda when I cite a scientific source
Yes, plenty of science is propaganda. The study you cited wasn't propaganda, but the way in which you used it was, because it's not applicable to the way you're using it.
Direct exposure to ambient heat is only one of the many issues related to climate change, and one of the least deadly. As I pointed out, the study didn't include wet bulb events, so even direct heat exposure wasn't properly covered in the study in terms of climate change.
Re: 45°C cooling design cuts data center water use to near zero
#423Earlier quoted context omitted.
Look up Benn Jordan's video on datacenter infrasound. Just because you can't perceive the noise doesn't mean it's not there and it doesn't have an effect on the human body, especially over very long periods of time.
That infrasound video is nonsense: https://blog.andymasley.com/p/contra-benn-jordan-data-center...
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If they can be deployed in low-earth orbit with nobody working on them, they can be deployed 20 miles east of Bumfuck, Nebraska with nobody working on them.
The physical threat model of the Nebraska option does not rely on the tyranny of the rocket to keep intruders away.
The idea of building robust, lightly-staffed technical facilities in obscure places all over the country is nothing even remotely new. It's how the long-distance telephone network was constructed and successfully operated in the decades before satellites took over: https://telephoneworld.org/long-distance-companies/att-long-...
Re: 45°C cooling design cuts data center water use to near zero
#425Points for effort, but this will do literal nothing to appease the opposition, since the "water use" thing is a myth anyway. It's probably good, it sounds like it will be more efficient and efficiency saves resources for other uses, but politically it's completely useless.
https://www.kpbs.org/news/environment/2026/06/15/imperial-va...
Re: 45°C cooling design cuts data center water use to near zero
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> The Cray supercomputer were fluid cooled back in the 1980's, the entire > board had an inert liquid flowing across it. You can still do this with any computer, by the way: just submerge the entire board in motor oil. Slightly smelly and might make a mess, but absolutely workable.
Mineral oil is the usual substance used, as its clear and non smelling.
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> I suppose you could condense the evaporated water somehow by using a chilled umbrella or some other ridiculous contraption above the cooling tower, but why would you do that? Specifically to reduce the ongoing demand for water. DCs need to get to net-zero on their energy requirements and their water consumption. They are already losing their political license to operate because they're not. That's independent of th…
To quote the great Jeffrey Lebowski, “That’s just like, your opinion, man.” You may think these are necessary things to do, but data centers are being built as we speak that are not net zero on energy or water consumption. That’s reality. It would be ideal if data centers had net zero energy and water consumption, don’t get me wrong. That won’t happen without legislation, and even then legislative efforts will be a p…
I don't think this will change in the US, because your governments have been totally corrupted and you have much bigger problems than datacenters.
It will/is happening in more enlightened/democratic jurisdictions.
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#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
That infrasound video is nonsense: https://blog.andymasley.com/p/contra-benn-jordan-data-center...
That's not a counterargument: it's an ad hominem.
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European cities are doing it already.
Blew my mind living in a Berlin apartment, that the heating & hot water was managed centrally for the entire block (not the apartment block, the whole city block). Too used to Anglo cities where everyone does for themselves.