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Not GP, but Volla phones are cool in that they officially support running proper Linux[1], so you could just use Linux instead of Android if that's enough for your needs. And you can still boot into their de-Googled Android if you need to run Android apps. [1] https://volla.online/en/operating-systems/ubuntu-touch/
Ubuntu Touch is drastically less private and secure than AOSP let alone GrapheneOS. Volla's devices don't come anywhere close to meeting the update and security requirements for GrapheneOS. GrapheneOS is a Linux distribution much closely following along with the Linux kernel LTS releases, unlike those devices. It also regularly moves to new Linux kernel LTS branches. Pixels are in the process of moving to the 6.12 LT…
GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17
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What about banking Apps? No problem there? Some of them have ridiculous secur... compliance rules.
> What about banking Apps? No problem there? Most banking apps work, but Google Pay/NFC payments won't work.
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The intersection of phones that have unlockable bootloaders, public-ish driver blobs and decent hardware is tiny. What other phone would you pick?
Everything Lineage supports.
I’m not an expert, but all the listed points there sound reasonable. If indeed only the Pixels support them, well, it’s too bad there’s not other, similarly secure hardware out there.
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In terms of apps, I fully believe it will only get worse from here: Google’s trajectory has been pretty hostile, and third‑party developers tend to follow it. That’s why I have two phones. One runs GrapheneOS and is my daily driver; the other (considerably less private and secure) stays at home connected to my server so I can always scrcpy into it.
I had the same idea in mind, would you mind sharing how you do it? I also use 2 phones, GrapheneOS as my daily, another phone at home just with banking stuff and some other crappy apps. Few questions if you dont mind answering: - do you have to keep the phone screen switched on? - Do you access via VNC? - Can you access it from another phone? is it usable? Thanks!
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I used to dread the promised deep system integration of AI, but honestly after setting Claude up on a server box and having it do sysadmin stuff for me that I've been putting off for ages I see the vision. I don't really want to mess with the details of working through system orchestration tasks, I want to say "spin up this service" and start using it, "change my config so X happens" and it does, and knows what needs…
The vendors are never going to give you control over your computer no matter what vision they try to sell you on. The whole point, from their perspective, is to use their control of your computer to gain more control over you, which they hope to then exploit for profit.
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The intersection of phones that have unlockable bootloaders, public-ish driver blobs and decent hardware is tiny. What other phone would you pick?
Everything Lineage supports.
If you want Graphene level security you need to have the hardware for it.
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#427I have two questions, if anyone has any advice. 1) What's a reasonable Pixel phone to buy to try out GrapheneOS? Is a 128GB Pixel 7 "good enough" or will I get a significantly better experience with a newer phone and/or more storage? 2) Is there a Graphene alternative that would let me de-google an Samsung A12? Back in the day I had some Galaxy S3 and S4 phones that I installed Lineage on, I have no idea if that's co…
If you want to try it out, you can easily buy an 8a for like 250 euros used. 128GB is certainly good enough, unless you plan on migrating your mp3 library to it or you take a lot of videos. My only qualms is the lack of SD card, for the aforementioned mp3s. And trust me you'll like it ;)
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I had the same idea in mind, would you mind sharing how you do it? I also use 2 phones, GrapheneOS as my daily, another phone at home just with banking stuff and some other crappy apps. Few questions if you dont mind answering: - do you have to keep the phone screen switched on? - Do you access via VNC? - Can you access it from another phone? is it usable? Thanks!
Sure, will do a small write-up about my setup in a few hours.
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Ha! Me too! Exact same. Bought a Pixel 10. Intended to do the default Android for a while. But it was filled with ads for “Wicked” which had me looking at my phone with a sneer on my face I couldn't erase - as if someone had smeared feces all over it and threw it on my bed. So I jumped straight to GrapheneOS, which was way easier and less extreme than I had been warned. So beautifully minimal, with no crap. Now my ph…
> it was filled with ads You bought a phone from an advertising company?
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I hate how common it's become for companies to force you to install things on your personal phone. Even worse is some of them demand you install a MDM profile on your personal phone which feels 1000% over the line of reasonable.
I've just refused to install such things on my phone. You want me to have email and teams/slack on my phone? Sorry, I won't install the spyware. Want to pay for me to have a second phone with it? Okay. No? Well then, I just won't have email on my phone.
Scenario: Your account gets compromised somehow. It's signed in to your personal phone. Company data gets leaked or ransomed.
Your phone and its contents are now evidence.