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U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by UncleMeat »

x-complexity wrote: post #198
iqp wrote: post #110

10 years from now: Climate Activist: The oceans are getting warmer & global currents are threatened by imminent collapse - we must do something! Big Oil: Prove it! Climate Activist: Data gathered between 2016 and 2026 shows ... Big Oil: That's old news! Do you have more recent data? Climate Activist: Well, no, because Trump2 dismantled the ocean observation system in 2026 ... Big Oil: So you have no data to back up y…

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"Valuable to society" and "valuable in the sense that it produces a profit for a business funding it" are different things. This is the reason why we have government funding.

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Post by UncleMeat »

SilverElfin wrote: post #62
emodendroket wrote: post #38

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This doesn't really seem relevant, nor does it seem credible that only Democrats are ever tempted to use trickery to make crime rates seem better than they are.

It’s directly relevant. You change data collection to present a false narrative and there are many ways to do it. Shutting down the ocean data infrastructure is one example. It presents a false narrative on climate change. The same is possible in other contexts like crime stats. You can avoid crime data collection by creating friction in reporting crimes. Or change incentives to report crime by not doing anything wit…

> You can avoid crime data collection by creating friction in reporting crimes.

Except that we get crime data from two sources. We get them from actual reports of crime to the police and also from the crime survey, which just asks people if they have been the victim of various crimes. These would diverge if the former numbers were being juked.

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Post by adampunk »

eudamoniac wrote: post #416
deadbolt wrote: post #413

Those who voted for this: are you happy here?

No, climate is perhaps my least aligned issue with this administration. I may end up voting Democrats next time, we'll have to see how bad their platform is again. I just wish I could vote to protect our climate and our borders at once.

What's your second least aligned issue?

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Post by ethbr1 »

georgemcbay wrote: post #355
roenxi wrote: post #341

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> So the choice to use fossil fuels might just be some performative machismo, allowing their pick-ups to output black smoke, make a loud noise and look "tough." Might be linked to petrol cars being cheaper to buy for the same amount of car? That seems like an easier explanation. There is a masculine element in that men want to be seen to own big things to show off, but I doubt it has anything to do with liking black…

Look up the phrase "rolling coal". These people do exist, unfortunately.

For those who don't live adjacent to rednecks: https://m.youtube.com/results?search_query=rolling+coal

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Post by chimprich »

billfor wrote: post #225
mapontosevenths wrote: post #77

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‘If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any’ - Trump on COVID19

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> it is a very common problem on the left -- taking the words literally and out of context

This is a very common problem on the right -- whatever Trump says gets constantly reinterpreted into something more favourable.

This wasn't out of context. It was part of a broader and systematic attempt to play down the pandemic.

He had multiple opportunities to clarify what he meant, and declined. When explicitly asked if the "slow the testing down" remarks were a joke, Trump said "I don't kid. Let me just tell you. Let me make it clear."

He then kept repeating the argument in subsequent tweets on 23 June: "Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more... With smaller testing we would show fewer cases!"

> Grow up.

Another common problem on the right -- argument by insult.

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Post by Starman_Jones »

x-complexity wrote: post #152

> ... “removal of all in-water infrastructure” belonging to the Ocean Observatories Initiative at sites along the coasts of Oregon, Washington, Alaska, and North Carolina, and in the waters between Greenland and Iceland. ...Why is Europe reliant on the US for monitoring oceans between Greenland & Iceland, i.e within European territory & therefore European monitoring? Shouldn't they have their own infra to work from?

They aren’t. The US built monitoring infrastructure there because it’s our project, and that’s where the science needs to happen.

It’s the same reason that many more countries than just Argentina built the Pierre Auger observatory, or that the Vatican built the Pope Scope in Arizona.

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Post by Danox »

roenxi wrote: post #375
vel0city wrote: post #368

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You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about if you don't know anything about rolling coal and you don't realize people like to drive loud cars. I've had several friends tell me they just couldn't drive an EV because it just doesn't have a soul, meaning it doesn't have that roar for its performance. It being nearly silent as it accelerates hard is missing half the point. It's a common thing among car enthusi…

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Appalachia area is a big place... Its not niche.

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Post by robotresearcher »

evolighting wrote: post #322
robotresearcher wrote: post #212

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Some of that money goes to the grad students. Source: I paid grad students the majority of my research funding for 16 years, and so did all my colleagues. Unless you’re building a new facility at CERN, etc, the bulk of research cost is people.

I don’t think this is really about salary. The “whole thing” is never cheap. Running something like a university — providing the environment, infrastructure, administration, facilities, compliance systems, equipment, libraries, grants offices, laboratories, and institutional platform that allow professors and graduate students to do research — is itself extremely expensive. After all, if you look at the fiscal budget…

The grad students get facilities along with their salary and benefits, yes.

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Post by nielsbot »

FireBeyond wrote: post #239
nielsbot wrote: post #58

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honestly, who gives a shit? the US spends AT LEAST $1T/year on military—and a lot of that is used to murder a lot of innocent people just minding their own business. Cut the military budget in half to start and then complain about reckless spending. I’ll also add: abruptly killing programs costs more than it saves. The DOGE fiasco at USAID for example—the unruly unwinding of their finances incurred huge financial pen…

> the US spends AT LEAST $1T/year on military The DOD has just requested a new budget of $1.5T for the military.

I know. “Make it rain!”

I was referring to the current budget which is already disgustingly large.

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