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Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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Why do we have such an easy time accepting peoples intrinsic athletic ability and such a difficult time accepting people's intrinsic mental ability? To me this is a 1:1 comparison, but people lose their mind when I make the comparison. College isn't for everyone just like amateur league sport isn't for everyone. I feel like I am going to a minor league baseball game and seeing a shortstop on the field with the motor…

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Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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Do you disagree with this? https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/confessions-community-c...

it does not claim that professors are only allowed to fail 1 to 2 students in a year.

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Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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This doesn't surprise me at all. From what I can tell, California's education system has moved from "equality" (which I would define as providing similar opportunities to all the kids) to focusing on "equity" (which I think they define as dictating the same outcome for all kids). To get an idea of how off the rails this has gotten, go read up on their statements trying to justify banning high school calculus. They ex…

Equality is more expensive. It’s much easier to just cut advanced classes and shove the upper percentile students closer to the average in the name of having equal outcomes for all races.

Similar to other issues in this country, we like to address the symptoms of economic inequality instead of attacking it at the source.

Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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Give the money to the parents in the form of income-adjusted vouchers to spend on education as they see fit.

That creates a market for lemons. How does a parent (especially one that is illiterate) compare between educational opportunities for their kids? The status quo says that the schools do not measure outcomes (and when they do, they do not publish it, or publish it on a long delay), so any objective data parents could use is not available.

As opposed to the current market for education?

Parents know which schools are good and which aren't. They are intrinsically interested in their child's education in a way that no one else is. It's an obvious solution.

Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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"The surge in math deficiencies after dropping the SAT highlights a systemic issue: grade inflation. Without a standardized baseline like the SAT/ACT, a 4.0 GPA from a high school with relaxed standards looks identical to a 4.0 from a highly rigorous one. Paradoxically, removing test requirements harms underprivileged students the most. Preparing for the SAT requires a book and an internet connection. In contrast, bu…

I can't read the article - do they explain why they think this is a "paradox"?

Personally, I don't think they actually believe it's paradoxical, I think the authors are just trying to be polite to those who criticize standardized testing with identity politics. Politeness can aid in persuasion, so I don't blame them.

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Because the "sucky" schools are statistically where poor people go to school, which statistically is where minorities go to school. School choice is bad because the only people who benefit from school choice are already wealthy - they can afford to transport their child to the school of their choice.

>> School choice is bad because the only people who benefit from school choice are already wealthy - they can afford to transport their child to the school of their choice. So what? If "level the playing field" means my kid gets a sub standard education because you have to constantly lower the bar, I don't want to play your game. This stuff isn't new. Everyone understands the importance of education, and everyone und…

I love to see the true colors of this vile place when topics like this come up.

Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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Maybe if we tried to educate all our kids instead of just the rich ones they wouldn't be illiterate

We do... The VAST majority of kids go through public education... It's mostly a matter of effort, and that comes down to mostly parent pressure on having their kids do the work. Maybe if we actually held kids that can't do the work back, they wouldn't be illiterate. Let social pressure do the work it's meant to. For that matter, let parents do the work they're supposed to.

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Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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Sure, but these students are likely two groups; those who are never going to be good at math , and those who were never really taught math . The latter may need an opportunity to succeed.

At the university level it should be up to the student to ensure that they learn what they need.

Under the circumstance that the primary and secondary education levels have failed to adequately prepare a student for tertiary level, I think your idea would be unfair.

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Read up on Kobe Bryant or Bronny James.

Sure, those are some good counterexamples: both sons of professional athletes. And there are plenty of others. On the other hand, we have: Allen Iverson, Larry Bird, Shaquille O'Neal, Carmelo Anthony, Michael Vick, Bo Jackson, Jackie Robinson, Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Fernando Valenzuela, Albert Pujols, Jim Thorpe, ... Oh, and LeBron James himself! So my view is that people of both rich and poor upbringings have a g…

Times have changed. Due to the rise of expensive youth travel club sports leagues I suspect we will see fewer poor children turn professional. There will always be a few outliers but if you don't have access to top coaching and extra competitive playing time prior to college then you're really at a disadvantage.

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Charter schools deliver results the same way that private schools deliver results: selection bias. It's really easy to have good outcomes when you have the ability to curate your student population. And though charter schools are regulated to make it harder for them to curate their student population, the statistical evidence is pretty unequivocal: they serve different populations than public schools, and their "bett…

> Charter schools deliver results the same way that private schools deliver results: selection bias. Wasn't there a failing neighborhood school in LA that got turned into four charter schools that basically rescued the district, without removing any students?

I don't know, was there? Do you have a link?
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