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Post by williamDafoe »

ac29 wrote: post #333
mschuster91 wrote: post #295

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Where to, that's the question. The economy is in the gutters and the replace-people-with-AI craze is making the issue even worse.

> The economy is in the gutters Consumer sentiment is in the gutters certainly. But objective measures of the economy like unemployment and real wages look good to excellent https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q

Unemployment and CPI : The most false statistics on the planet. Instead, look at employment population ratio 25-54, and core inflation. That will FREE YOUR MIND.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by bel8 »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #353

Reminds me of when Steve Ballmer forbade his children to use iPods and pushed towards the Zune instead. Hahaha

1) They can still use Anthropic models.

2) Opus is not even unambiguously best at coding anymore. GPT 5.5 splits that title for some time now.

3) I would have probably done the same in his position. Dogfood the product.

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Post by generic92034 »

gottorf wrote: post #414
generic92034 wrote: post #402

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*the whole industry in countries without strong worker rights

American software engineers are paid commensurately more than equivalent roles in countries with strong worker rights. There is no free lunch. Besides, it's probably counterproductive in the long run to think of strong worker rights as being opposed to the employer wanting higher productivity out of the worker.

Well, if we are talking the worldwide software development industry, FAANG-like salaries are a tiny exception. There are so many places without strong worker rights and without a high premium for workers.

The expectation of higher productivity measured by completely useless means, letting a highly qualified employee jump through hoops for the amusement and misconceptions of the C-level.

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Post by arkadiytehgraet »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #345
arkadiytehgraet wrote: post #276

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This account is an LLM-hype peddler, shilling for Anthropic (check comment history). If they say that Claude is not nerfed, then most likely it is, in fact, nerfed.

I wouldn't call correcting misinformation and FUD "peddling hype" or "shilling" but I suppose we are in a post-truth world, where if you push back against the anti-AI emotions and vibes with grounded facts, you must be a shill. Anyways, please take your discourse of calling people you disagree with "shills" back to Reddit. I'd much rather engage with someone debating the merits of an argument.

If you are an LLM-hype peddler, you really should not be offended at being called out. Also, this is the merit you are ostensibly looking for — since you are a shill, everyone should know this first before taking your words seriously.

You should also check your LLM prompt for HN comments, because the original comment you replied to was not anti-AI, and, in fact, very much pro-AI. The only criticism it had was about model being degraded, so they could not go as hard at AI-assisted development anymore as they used to before. I guess it's a bit difficult for LLMs to spot the difference and make proper conclusion for now.

Also even if taking you seriously — how does writing "no, model performance is not degraded because I say so" serve as correcting misinformation? It only does if you are shilling for Anthropic (which you do), otherwise it's just hot air.

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Post by fredcallagan »

I have noticed particularly in recent weeks and maybe couple of months that token costs are just ridiculous. I can understand the upcoming IPOs and instinctive pressure to show profits ... but let's be honest, showcasing burning 1.3 million USD in tokens by a single developer in a month is the most ridiculous thing I have seen in my entire life. The general principles still apply. You expect investing X and have a return on such investment. Unfortunately that's not so easy to promise or expect. There's no real 1 to 1 correlation between amount of code written and returns, and even less between tokens burned and returns. I start to believe that the current token pricing approach, followed at the moment by all leading labs (especially considering OS models capabilities), is bordeline delusional ...

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Post by solenoid0937 »

arkadiytehgraet wrote: post #424
solenoid0937 wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't call correcting misinformation and FUD "peddling hype" or "shilling" but I suppose we are in a post-truth world, where if you push back against the anti-AI emotions and vibes with grounded facts, you must be a shill. Anyways, please take your discourse of calling people you disagree with "shills" back to Reddit. I'd much rather engage with someone debating the merits of an argument.

If you are an LLM-hype peddler, you really should not be offended at being called out. Also, this is the merit you are ostensibly looking for — since you are a shill, everyone should know this first before taking your words seriously. You should also check your LLM prompt for HN comments, because the original comment you replied to was not anti-AI, and, in fact, very much pro-AI. The only criticism it had was about m…

Not offended at all, but just ranting about how someone is a shill instead of responding to the substance of their argument is simply not the kind of discussion we have on HN. Read the guidelines.

> "no, model performance is not degraded because I say so" serve as correcting misinformation?

Because zero evidence has been provided other than feelings. That is not evidence of degradation, and we know they don't serve quants.

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Post by metaltyphoon »

vovavili wrote: post #239
mattmanser wrote: post #174

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I'm a little the opposite, what's the point of using an IDE with AI? I genuinely don't get it? These days I just use Claude Code Desktop or Claude Code in powershell. Standalone, not inside and IDE. Honestly, I'm using Desktop more and more as it gets more features. The IDE is for me. No AI in it at all. If I want to get Claude to do something specific to a file I just @ the file.

Productivity. You generate the skeleton of the code with Codex/Claude Code/et. al. and refactor it manually. It's kind of unlikely that an AI agent will be able to one-shot every bit of code in the exact way you want, even with a fat AGENTS.md file. With a smart AI-native IDE like Zed, it will quickly be able to pick up what manual change you intent to do without you fully typing out anything, especially if they're r…

> Productivity. You generate the skeleton of the code with Codex/Claude Code/et. al. and refactor it manually.

This doesn’t mean much if you are using a terminal editor.

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Post by HappMacDonald »

idopmstuff wrote: post #411
theptip wrote: post #390

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To understand the token count thing - spending tokens is necessary and not sufficient to demonstrate that you are adopting AI. Where we were 6mo ago is that a lot of big orgs realized they were behind, and needed some way of measuring if the tools were usable at all. No sawdust at all on your job site, and you can tell nobody is cutting wood. Now that tooling is more mature, you can measure things like % of diffs AI-…

My feeling is it's not as bad of a metric as people think. Companies don't fully know the best way to use AI and things are changing rapidly, so you want people using a lot of tokens even on stuff that seems maybe kind of dumb on the surface, because if you find one useful thing and share it in the org that makes up for a lot of failures. But I do think you also need to say, "To be clear, don't game the system. Any t…

NVidia will probably sue you for doing that, though.

Remember that the entire mantra of "productivity is a measure of how many shovels you break and replace" is only ever echoed by the one selling the shovels.

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Post by maleldil »

locknitpicker wrote: post #415
harimau777 wrote: post #266

The comments I see recommending selective use of cheaper models doesn't match the reality I experience working in the industry. I have the constant threat hanging over my head of being fired if I don't churn out code quickly enough. I'm not willing to gamble with my livelyhood by using a less effective model. Saving money on tokens isn't something that's rewarded during performance reviews; particularly because it's…

> The comments I see recommending selective use of cheaper models doesn't match the reality I experience working in the industry. I have the constant threat hanging over my head of being fired if I don't churn out code quickly enough. I'm not willing to gamble with my livelyhood by using a less effective model. I don't buy it. Old models such as GPT4.1 were faster than newer reasoning models, and their output was as…

Are you saying you found GPT 5.5 to be as good as 4.1 for coding?

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Post by mirekrusin »

RA_Fisher wrote: post #326
__mharrison__ wrote: post #292

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If you give Copilot a file with a list of tasks to complete, it will try to churn through them (just like most other harness would do these days).

Ah okay, can it work on a whole repo in an agentic way?

Yes, of course, it can also span subagents, work for an hour without interactivity if that's what you want etc. just like any other harness.

Actually due to stupid billing system of github which charges per "premium request" instead of tokens, you could and still can abuse it so it costs nothing. They're changing it from next month to usage based billing though.

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