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Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by tdeck »

davsti4 wrote: post #241
zabzonk wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One lecturer at a Polytechnic I worked for made his students buy his book. Well, a photocopy actually, done without payment from him by the Poly's Copy Services. Other lecturers got "gifts" from publishers for requiring or at least recommending the publisher's books. The amount of corruption in higher education is quite astonishing - you only have to look at the prices of required/recommended books compared with actu…

Is it corruption, or just an established business model for poorly paid educators to increase their revenues?

It's not corruption if you profit from it now?

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Post by griffzhowl »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #401
hunter2_ wrote: post #369

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Taking someone else's car illicitly is theft, because theft means taking with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it. Copying can never be theft, only moving can be theft, because only moving it could deprive the rightful owner of it. An illicit copy is merely copyright infringement or a breach of contract or various other concepts that are not theft despite people sometimes using that word as shorthand. It's YOU…

I didn't "steal" your passwords, I just "copied" them. I don't know what you're getting so upset about, you still have your list of passwords, and the fact that my changing all your accounts' passwords rendered that list worthless did nothing to move it.

If someone steals my passwords and then does nothing with them, or just uses them for their private purposes, then there's no problem. The problems only occur if my passwords are used to take control of my accounts or identity, which would deprive me of my accounts or money etc. So your example actually reinforces that the relevant ethical distinction (the harm) is indeed in intending to deprive someone of something they possess/control

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Post by WolfeReader »

TFNA wrote: post #417
WolfeReader wrote: post #362

LLM corporations should be paying authors to read their books and benefit from them. Instead, Anna wants the corporations to send money to Anna ? It's hard not to read this as giant offense to the authors. I didn't think anything would be worse than DRM, but corporations paying pirates to steal books is right up there.

> LLM corporations should be paying authors to read their books and benefit from them. I don’t think you realize just how huge the holdings of the shadow libraries are now. They have publications from all over the world, in myriad languages. (Someone has made a tool to visualize ISBN-space on Anna, I think it was posted on HN a while back.) It’s not realistic for a corporation, even a multinational titan with a large…

"It’s not realistic for a corporation, even a multinational titan with a large staff, to track down and compensate even the living authors"

Then they shouldn't use those materials to train their LLMs.

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Post by gcbirzan »

literalAardvark wrote: post #149

https://archive.is/HLtIl I think Anna's Archive is even more hated by the copyright lobby than TPB, makes sense that it gets blocked where the law allows such. It was bad enough that those dirty TPB anarchists gave the world free porn and games, but free knowledge? For the unwashed? shudder

Why did you post an archive.is link?

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by TFNA »

WolfeReader wrote: post #423
TFNA wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> LLM corporations should be paying authors to read their books and benefit from them. I don’t think you realize just how huge the holdings of the shadow libraries are now. They have publications from all over the world, in myriad languages. (Someone has made a tool to visualize ISBN-space on Anna, I think it was posted on HN a while back.) It’s not realistic for a corporation, even a multinational titan with a large…

"It’s not realistic for a corporation, even a multinational titan with a large staff, to track down and compensate even the living authors" Then they shouldn't use those materials to train their LLMs.

It is precisely because Anna has such incredible breadth that corporations should use those materials to train their LLMs; it is a public good. I work in an areal-studies field and my colleagues and I resolved some years ago to scan and OCR our entire departmental libraries and upload the books to the shadow libraries, copyright be damned. When these corporations then trained their LLMs on the shadow libraries, the LLMs 1) automatically learned several minority languages, and 2) learned quite a bit about parts of the world that were little represented on the internet.

So for the first time, peoples who had generally been left out in the internet age are now able to perform queries in their own languages, and people from elsewhere doing queries now get to draw also on the information from these parts of the world. This would have never realistically happened under any copyright-respecting project that painstakingly sought author or publisher permission; there just will never be sufficient manpower or funding for specifically that.

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Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #89

I don't understand why this is a movement that is ethical to get behind. Someone spends months or years of their life dedicated to writing a book. And people celebrate the fact they can get it for free, justify it by saying it's not free to search or host this content and offer to donate to piracy sites. Rather than... Just supporting the author and buying their book? It's different when this is American education an…

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Post by episode404 »

akomtu wrote: post #351
penguin_booze wrote: post #349

So, Anna's archive stole a bunch of stuff, and people are going after it. AI people stole even more stuff, and they're insanely rich and saintly. The irony.

AA stole from the rich and gave it to the poor. AI stole from the poor and gave it to the rich.

AA scraped from the poor and resells books which are already free. Now AA is rich and wants to get richer. If you don't think that is true, consider their complete lack of financial transparency.

They try hard to pretend otherwise, but AA is a for-profit enterprise.

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Post by nibbleyou »

episode404 wrote: post #427
akomtu wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AA stole from the rich and gave it to the poor. AI stole from the poor and gave it to the rich.

AA scraped from the poor and resells books which are already free. Now AA is rich and wants to get richer. If you don't think that is true, consider their complete lack of financial transparency. They try hard to pretend otherwise, but AA is a for-profit enterprise.

I think a lot of us would be fine for AA to be a for-profit enterprise earning money from donations and deals with companies. The service it provides is invaluable - free and DRM-free access to millions of titles in the world.

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Post by Aurornis »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #399
Aurornis wrote: post #259

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> Data can't be owned in the first place. We can debate the merits of copyright but it's not a property right. This is factually incorrect. I don’t know if you’re unaware of the law or introducing your own beliefs about what it should be, but this is not how the law works.

Which law, copyright? Trademark? Patent? These are things you can infringe upon, but they all have dynamics that depart pretty wildly from the laws governing property.

Intellectual property law.
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