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Post by mandevil »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #416
mandevil wrote: post #311

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Civil Rights law is how these sorts of things are enforced by individuals who were harmed, in your example a Law Enforcement Officer violated someone's civil rights by killing them in the line of duty and their family can sue for violation of the deceased's civil right to life. Qualified Immunity short-circuits that entire process for the individual LEO's (it does not protect the organization, just individual officer…

How can I have a civil right to life? I'm aware I have a civil right to things like voting, a jury trial (for certain charges), legal representation. Those are all things the civic institutions provide to me. Civic institutions don't provide me life.

The US Constitution is an amazing document, I suggest you read it if you are an American. It's pretty short and has a lot of stuff that is useful to know, even if you aren't a lawyer (I am not). Because I am not a lawyer, I didn't word it exactly correctly.

The Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution says, in its entirety:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

The key in this context is "No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law." If a government agent takes that from you without due process that is a civil right of yours being abridged, at least in the US. I can't speak for other countries.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by MisterTea »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #401
MisterTea wrote: post #393

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> but if someone did they'd have to be prepared to move away if they lost the election because otherwise they risk being retaliated against by someone who has already proven that they don't care about people's rights. This is the big problem. A cop friend once told me that even he will not report abuse because he, and his family will be targeted by his fellow officers. They will do everything to make your life hell i…

> One example is your license plate ends up in a database that gets you pulled over frequently and other forms of passive harassment. And then, if institutions are functioning as they should, you sue them in a higher court above their jurisdiction to make them stop.

You make it sound easy but the fact is you have to be repeatedly harassed first before making any claims. Then you have to document that. So you have to eat, or at least take a few good bites from that shit sandwich before you can get the ball rolling.

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Post by janalsncm »

worik wrote: post #389
janalsncm wrote: post #377

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From what I could tell from the article, an officer submitted a warrant request to a judge and the judge approved it. That request was potentially incomplete because it left out the fact that the victim here didn’t actually make the meme. On the other hand I’m not sure whether omission matters since it would still be protected speech if he made it. So I would place a good amount of blame at the feet of the judge, who…

> Second problem I see is that this took 37 days to resolve "Justice delayed is justice denied " is an important principle that appears to have been forgotten in the west

Rereading the article, another insane detail is the judge setting bond at $2M. I think for any person who actually was motivated to perpetrate a mass shooting, no bond would prevent it. And for most innocent people, $2M might as well be $200M. They’re sitting in jail until trial.

I think there’s an amendment about that or something but I’m not a lawyer.

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Post by JoshTriplett »

MisterTea wrote: post #422
JoshTriplett wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One example is your license plate ends up in a database that gets you pulled over frequently and other forms of passive harassment. And then, if institutions are functioning as they should, you sue them in a higher court above their jurisdiction to make them stop.

You make it sound easy but the fact is you have to be repeatedly harassed first before making any claims. Then you have to document that. So you have to eat, or at least take a few good bites from that shit sandwich before you can get the ball rolling.

I'm not at all suggesting it is easy. I'm advocating that such abuse should be heavily and punitively punished.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by voxl »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #30
jubilanti wrote: post #3

This was the meme he posted that got him jailed: https://www.fire.org/sites/default/files/styles/417xy/public...

so the "meme" was a photo and a quote

Are there any memes that are not described thusly?

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Post by geekone »

georgeecollins wrote: post #396
nyeah wrote: post #266

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What if a majority of taxpayers voted for that sheriff?

Another huge problem with our times is that local media is completely hollowed out. Voter awareness was never amazing but now there is no local paper to highlight abuse or corruption. Every problem becomes a national problem with no accountabillity. Lots of people in the state I live in vote for their sheriff. I would be shocked if one in one hundred even knew who that was.

most local tv news stations being owned by two right-wing conglomerates doesn't help either

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by tialaramex »

ericmay wrote: post #408
tialaramex wrote: post #395

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Piscis primum a capite foetet

Catchy, I suppose, but ultimately without much meaning.

Huh? It's a widely recognised proverb, you might as well say that "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" is without much meaning. You could insist it's wrong if you like, or that it somehow doesn't apply but meaning is its whole thing.

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Post by autoexec »

axus wrote: post #284
criddell wrote: post #150

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Maybe he should try to get compensation through the new Anti-Weaponization Fund. > “The machinery of government should never be weaponized against any American, and it is this Department’s intention to make right the wrongs that were previously done while ensuring this never happens again,” said Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-...

I was just thinking that James Comey would also have a valid claim

I hope he applies (he's thought about it) just to further point out what a joke the whole thing is. Zero chance they treat his case fairly.

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Post by autoexec »

georgemcbay wrote: post #216
crooked-v wrote: post #156

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What that actually is, is a reward pool for Jan 6 participants and other people who have done illegal things to support Trump.

The vast majority of the money from that pool will certainly go to Trump himself (and his family when he dies) in the long run. He'll dole out small amounts of it to J6ers and other supporters in a public display of rewarding loyalty, but enriching himself is always the prime directive over every other concern and who (in his mind) has been the biggest target of "DOJ/govt weaponization?"... himself, of course. He wil…

I think there's something in place where he's not directly eligible, but I doubt that applies to his family.

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Post by IAmBroom »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #93
Arubis wrote: post #54

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In a sane, fair, and (crucially) long-term stable system, persons given privilege and authority over others are subject to a higher standard for their own behavior. The long-running US trend of the inverse (additional legal protections for positions of authority) is incredibly destructive. This is a moral and values judgment, yes, but it's not just that -- it communicates to the population at large that they should f…

One of the worst examples in the US is the consequence asymmetry for speech. Law enforcement and federal agents can lie as much as they like with impunity when dealing with citizens, but (a) it's a federal crime to lie to a federal officer (18 US Code § 1001, up to 8 years imprisonment), and (b) truly, anything you say to law enforcement when under any suspicion can and will be used against you in a court of law, eve…

The alternative extreme is likewise unworkable.

"OK, before we begin this meeting of the capas of our totally legitimate, not at all criminal business... Is anyone here an undercover officer of the law?"

"Shucks, you got me. I'm FBI."

However, your implied extreme isn't accurate. Lying to suspects can in some cases result in entrapment charges (although it is historically more likely for suspects with power and public office). Etc.

Yes, the current system is injust. No, it's not as bad as you claim.

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