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Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by NikolaNovak »

hdndjsbbs wrote: post #233
knicholes wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting to Mars, it would seem.

Does anyone seriously still believe this? I thought as a society we had realized Musk is simply BSing whatever he feels like until it becomes untenable.

I genuinely believe he wants to go to Mars. Desperately.

He's fundamentally a very smart socially inept largely sociopathic emotionally immature obsessively driven boy who read a lot of Heinlein as a kid. Everything about him indicates he sees himself as a saviour of humanity and the only person who has their priorities right and everybody should appreciate and adore him and it's so darn frustrating when they don't, oh wait this other party will adore me, now they don't anymore either oh HUMbug.

Do I believe any of his promises? No absolutely not. But I do think Mars is his massive obsession and that he fervently (If completely Implausibly) believes it'll work and help humanity.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by zzrrt »

the_doctah wrote: post #339
pesus wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that what we're calling allowing CSAM and promoting white supremacist rhetoric?

[flagged]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg1mzlryxeo

Xkcd 1357: "you're saying the most compelling thing you can say about your position is that it’s not literally illegal to express"

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by overgard »

My suspicion is that winning might have been a secondary goal. When OpenAI goes to IPO, all the testimony of former executives about Altman's behavior is going to be in the public record. A lot of that testimony makes OpenAI sound very chaotic and poorly run. That could prevent large institutional investors from wanting to take the risk.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by overgard »

reaperducer wrote: post #374
granzymes wrote: post #81

Because no one has commented yet on the legal significance: Musk lost today because the jury found that he waited too long to bring his claims. The jury answers only yes/no questions, so we do not know their exact thoughts, but it is likely they determined that the 2019 and 2021 Microsoft deals were too similar to the 2023 Microsoft deal that was the centerpiece of Musk’s lawsuit. Musk could have brought the same law…

It is possible for Musk to appeal, but success is vanishingly unlikely. He doesn't have to win to succeed. The richest man on the planet can keep his enemies tied up in court needlessly until the day he dies.

Or just ruin their already shaky reputations.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by granzymes »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #420
jongjong wrote: post #409

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I'm using the term 'owners' loosely here, but this is a much more reasonable interpretation than the interpretation that the donors are the owners.

I don't think you understand how non-profits work. Essentially they are exactly the same as for-profits, except they can't issue dividends. Ownership works exactly the same as for-profit companies. A cynical take is that non-profits are for-salary; they still pay their owners, just using other means. edit: no, my bad, apparently I misunderstood how non-profits work in the USA. Thanks for the correction :)

This is not correct. jongjong is correct that a nonprofit does not have owners in the sense that a for-profit has owners. Nonprofits are dedicated to their mission, and are run by a board of directors.

You cannot have a % ownership in a nonprofit because its resources must be used exclusively to carry out its mission. You could have a % control in its decision making process.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by nixon_why69 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #245
hdndjsbbs wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone seriously still believe this? I thought as a society we had realized Musk is simply BSing whatever he feels like until it becomes untenable.

> Does anyone seriously still believe this? I do. It’s not his singular focus. But he continues to personally invest himself in pushing the boundaries of human spacefaring capability. That goal seems more meaningful to him that it does to e.g. Bezos, who seems to have a rocket company to look cool.

He slashed tons of basic science funding under DOGE.

At one point he was probably sincere but he's been consumed by culture war slop.

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Post by Danox »

mc3301 wrote: post #403
abustamam wrote: post #382

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I want extra money so I can pay for simple things like food and pay my mortgage and send my kid to a school, and help family members out. Realistically I probably need $5m and I'd be set for life. If I had $10m instead of $5m I don't see how my life would meaningfully change.

Hmm... I think I could be set for life with, like, $1m. Obviously age, family, lifestyle and current savings matter.

As long as all the basics are paid for house, car, know how to cook maybe have a small garden and no other debt you probably can.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

compiler-guy wrote: post #194
bambax wrote: post #184

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I'm unfamiliar with the US legal system but do they really need a jury and a trial to determine whether the claims are barred by the statute of limitations? Couldn't this be decided by a judge before trial?

Part of the Statute of Limitations isn't just on when he filed the claim, but when he found out or should have found out, by reasonable diligence that he had a claim at all. So the question before the jury has a significant component of "Should he have found out by this time?" Which is a question of fact, and facts are typically decided by juries, in the US at least. The two parties can agree together to let a judge…

Also, it's worth pointing out that the jury was obviously correct. Musk was lying his ass off. There is no possible way to imagine that Elon Musk, the hyper-online dude obsessed with news, AI, and AI news, would not be aware of the well-publicized events of a company he was personally massively invested in.

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Post by SilentM68 »

tahoeskibum wrote: post #30

Anybody read the article:"...that his lawsuits had been filed too late."

I did, but I think most people here are just reacting to everybody else's differing opinions cause most if not all have a love/hate relationship with Musk. Doubt anybody here is actually reading the story and understanding and failing to understand the new future legal implications, e.g. a critical shift in legal thinking which will force a greater focus on security practices of AI development companies aka "security audit" defense. As stated by an earlier poster, this could lead to a future plaintiff arguing that a company's failure to adequately secure its confidential information will be enough to constitute a fundamental breach of its contractual obligations, irrespective of how the info was subsequently leaked.

Sol Roth

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #426
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does anyone seriously still believe this? I do. It’s not his singular focus. But he continues to personally invest himself in pushing the boundaries of human spacefaring capability. That goal seems more meaningful to him that it does to e.g. Bezos, who seems to have a rocket company to look cool.

He slashed tons of basic science funding under DOGE. At one point he was probably sincere but he's been consumed by culture war slop.

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48186106
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