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We've made the world too complicated

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Re: We've made the world too complicated

#421
The world is infinitely complicated. The amazing thing is that through things like science, education, government, farming, etc... That people can grasp much of the world around them and function well.

Re: We've made the world too complicated

#422

> Our internal intuition about right and wrong seems to leave us at an early age Well, mine didn’t. It’s called respect and love your neighbours, treat others as you would like to be treated. It’s pretty simple and feels deeply ingrained

Hard disagree, have you ever seen a group of 5 year olds interacting?

We are little monsters without our parents literally berating us until we develop shame.

Small kids left to their own devices will gang up on anyone different or weak and antagonize them to raise their own social standing. They respect strength/power and have little empathy.

The "intuition" the author refers to only exists because the scoldings he received during his formative years conditioned him to behave "right".

Re: We've made the world too complicated

#423
post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rather by Graeber (with way too many words still) as "bullshit jobs".

I get the appeal of his arguments but after reading the book, it just doesn't sit right with me. A lot if it reminds me too much of fascist arguments about how all of those city liberals don't do actual labor and the only "real jobs" are farm jobs or something.

Seeing is believing I guess?

I often joke that the company I work for did the same job 100 years ago but they only had manual laborers on hundreds of locations. They made the work schedule, they did recruitment. they filled out the contract, every Friday there was an envelope with your salary in it, always the same amount.

Today we have local managers, regional managers, job agencies, cluster coördinators, quality control people, layers of hr people, doctors, instructors and lots of fancy sounding expensive titles that translate poorly. Each with their own fancy car.

So, I ask them what value they add. Makes them furious. I'm not bitter about it, I'm honest about the joke/hypothetical.

The show is much more expensive and we do the manual (actual) work with fewer people. We work much harder and if someone calls in sick all hell breaks lose among the office folk. Zero redundancy.

Some nepotism aside they all think they do important work. Say, the schedule man makes a schedule for 700 people. He works hard but the results are vastly inferior to 8 people working on one location making their own schedule. If you need a day off or want to trade shifts, you just ask a coworker or two. The office worker begs people not to call him. In the future I'm sure he can also make schedules for the office folk(?)

It is that I remember how things use to work. Otherwise i wouldn't even consider if their jobs are useless.

Sitting down for a few minutes to do some administrative tasks is really nice if you are hurling heavy objects and running from left to right all day. Rest improves productivity so it doesn't really cost time. It makes the work less repetitive and if you screw up organizing things yourself you know who to blame.

Here is a simple concept. The job agencies schedules employees, counts hours and pays salaries. After they are done multiple people at the company have to check everything they do. They are doing everything twice! It's very complicated!

With just 8 people on location any idiot can schedule, count hours and multiply by $. It worked fine for 70ish years.

Re: We've made the world too complicated

#425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, when life puts you in a position where you're insulated from the consequences of your actions, just enjoy it :) If your role is actively making life worse for thousands of others, that's their problem. When you've been offered the privilege of an uncomplicated life in a complicated world, just grab it by the neck and take it, discard the complications as something for others to deal with!

What a terrible view. It's a good thing that I do not feel that way!

When you take into account how much corporations cloud the effects of your work from you, and how easy (normal, in fact) it is to live in a bubble where you don't realize the level of suffering of others, then when you say

> no matter who you are and what your role is

that view is exactly what you are endorsing. You may not feel that way, but unfortunately, you don't have to explicitly feel it in those words to act exactly in accordance to that.

Re: We've made the world too complicated

#426

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> Capitalism is like gravity. This is a very reified stance. What that means is that it expouses a position that has gone through the process of reification. It is a human behavior that takes an idea, usually social, and simultaneously does two things. It forgets the authors and substitutes nature/the universe/reality as the basis/authority for its existence. We see this across human societies, and across time. Capit…

Some might say that Capitalism (with a capital C) was born in Wealth of Nations. IIUC, you argue it was birthed by Muscovy or BEI some centuries earlier. I argue that capitalism (lower-case) is as old as humans. Was not the shift away from hunter-gatherer a capitalist choice? (Thank you for your comment. I know a discussion about capitalism is completely off-topic, and an explanation of reification is even more off-t…

I debated distinguishing the behavior of Capitalism and when we actually started calling it Capitalism and went with the former.

Before we get too far into the weeds, I want to be very specific about Capitalism. I am referring it to be the ability to buy and sell portions of a company[the capacity to produce]. The conception of company as property. This didn't arise until the events mentioned. From what I gather, it's not a particularly contested definition.

Happy to correspond elsewhere! Contact available in my bio.

Re: We've made the world too complicated

#427
This article resonates with me, mainly, because I think there is one technology, or maybe 2 which can free us, but they will disrupt so much of our technology, that I doubt they will be allowed to exist. Solar flying/hovering craft (aka antigravity) and farming androids. Currently, we are trapped in the 2-dimentional plane of transportation. If we move it to 3d, we wont need roads, grids and even cities(maybe just marker/shopping hubs. As for the droids, we have rhe answer to cheap food production but we are too lazy for manual labour.

Re: We've made the world too complicated

#428

I think this feeling of everything being too complex is a natural consequence of work that is done for long-term abstract ends, rather than immediate and local ones. At least I think it is for me. Working remotely for an international software company is great for its lifestyle flexibility, but sometimes I just want to be a baker, chef, bike repairman, etc. that solves an immediate problem for a real person standing…

If you don't mind me asking (this is unrelated to your post), but is your company hiring? My next position I'm hoping to work at an international remote company, so I'm just following up on any lead that I see, hah

Re: We've made the world too complicated

#429
post #245

> I've realized this article is slightly naïve Is it? Or is it simply unresigned ? To the author: there are ways to get away from much of what you described, and retain great sense of community. I hope you and I both find the balance we enjoy.

Still grappling with what to think, of course it is a mixture of both. Thanks for your comment.

Really needed to read some of what you wrote.

Thank you, for being vulnerable!

Re: We've made the world too complicated

#430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, let's be suspicious of complexity, and blame spirits for our diseases instead of viruses and germs. Simpler narration aint it. God has wanted me to die. How simple is that?

Romans 1:20

lol at the guy calling out taking an imaginary book seriously getting downvoted, not the guy taking an imaginary book seriously.
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