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Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by kwertyoowiyop »

noosphr wrote: post #274
codedokode wrote: post #266

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Linux has lot of bugs and issues, but they are not caused by intention to make users' life worse.

They are caused by moral busy bodies who think they know better. To quote CS Lewis: >Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torme…

CS Lewis certainly got it wrong, if he believed that the greed of robber barons can ever be satisfied. I’ll take the moral busybodies, if I have to take either.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by cwel »

irishcoffee wrote: post #411
dmd wrote: post #158

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What are you suggesting here? Everyone who runs linux should log in and run everything as root all the time?

No, I guess I didn’t explain it, though I thought I had. Don’t ask me to turn on location settings, don’t ask me to connect my email/online accounts, during a gui install. I can turn those on myself if I want to. Someone else up-thread pointed out that this probably exists to help windows uses transition over to a Linux install in a way that feels more familiar, and that makes sense. I don’t like it, but I can accept…

You also attributed this to "Linux", instead of whatever guided installer/desktop environment you chose. I have never encountered the screens you are lamenting.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by red_admiral »

codedokode wrote: post #266
noosphr wrote: post #242

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My Ubuntu servers have been in an undefined state since canonical botched a regular upgrade to 26.04 LTS due to the ongoing DDOS. Their status page says everything works. A simple ping tells me nothing works. Let's not pretend Microsoft has a monopoly on idiocy in the software world. All major Linux distros are hell bent on repeating the mistakes of Windows. Especially since the people in control of the stack (minus…

Linux has lot of bugs and issues, but they are not caused by intention to make users' life worse.

Intention or not, Gnome 3's "desktops are outdated" caused even Linus to switch away from it.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by hylaride »

nickjj wrote: post #179
theandrewbailey wrote: post #112

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> Regaining trust is extremely hard after you've crossed an edge. Microsoft needs to learn consent. Everywhere there's a Yes and "Remind me later", there has to be a No. And the No has to work and be remembered forever, not forgotten after the next update. Using Windows has to stop feeling like you're being roofied all the time.

Yeah this seems to be a trend over the last few years. Google does this too. I don't have photos backed up to my Google account on a Pixel and every few days if I open the photos app it prompts me to backup to the cloud and I always have to click "maybe later", "not now" or whatever they decide to name it. It's messed up because if I were to accidentally ever click yes to that it would fill up my Google storage and I…

If it makes you feel any better, on iOS all the google web pages and apps (like YouTube) continuously ask you to use or "open in" the iOS Chrome.

Google is an advertising company and the product managers there are now incentivized to tie everything to revenue.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by tapoxi »

red_admiral wrote: post #423
codedokode wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux has lot of bugs and issues, but they are not caused by intention to make users' life worse.

Intention or not, Gnome 3's "desktops are outdated" caused even Linus to switch away from it.

He actually still uses GNOME, at least as recently as 5 months ago.

I'm a KDE user but I get why people like it.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by conradfr »

underlipton wrote: post #249
colechristensen wrote: post #106

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They want to be Apple. Apple sells hardware, services, and takes a huge cut being a software store. Microsoft sells software. They turned office into a service but it's still software. Nobody really wants to use their store. Their hardware is a cute little side hustle. Microsoft's strategy for turning into Apple is kneecapping their own software.

>Their hardware is a cute little side hustle. It didn't have to be. The same toxic dynamics that compromised their software poisoned their hardware, but they had too many products, or eras of a product, that Just Worked(TM) for it to have been a fluke. Someone knew what they were doing. They were screwed over by competing interests. Zune people loved their Zunes. Windows Phone 8 people loved their Nokias. I've seen S…

Not sure why you are downvoted.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by krior »

ilia-a wrote: post #400
krior wrote: post #347

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Why would you describe windows 10 as great? Forced updates and the beginning of ads, massive increase in telemetry while basically giving you a mediocre reskin and virtual desktops. Windows 11 sure moved the overton window.

Compared to what was before and after it was pretty great.

I remember windows 7 being better.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by underlipton »

robotresearcher wrote: post #353
underlipton wrote: post #249

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>Their hardware is a cute little side hustle. It didn't have to be. The same toxic dynamics that compromised their software poisoned their hardware, but they had too many products, or eras of a product, that Just Worked(TM) for it to have been a fluke. Someone knew what they were doing. They were screwed over by competing interests. Zune people loved their Zunes. Windows Phone 8 people loved their Nokias. I've seen S…

And that’s without mentioning XBox, a brand they built up to be pretty good over many years, and now they don’t seem to know what to do with. They have a HW+SW+store ecosystem right there. Gently stagnating.

D'oh, that's the most obvious example and I completely missed it. Even then, they were somewhat hamstrung by weird decisions - RROD as mentioned, but also remember their hard drive/memory card scheme for the 360? They HAD their family room Trojan horse, at the nascence of streaming and HD broadcast - imagine if they had gone full Nintendo and pushed a TV tuner and/or integration with cable networks? Truly an Xbox, the only one you need under your TV.

It's crazy how the corporate machine just chews up obvious courses for sustained profitability and customer delight and spits out expanding batteries and DRM.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by pndy »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #112
PeterStuer wrote: post #40

What people realy want: as little OS as possible to let them run just the things on their computer they want to run. What Microsoft wants: Windows as their straightjacket into the Microsoft services as that is where the revenue is. Why Windows got this bad: incentives and coercion placed on the teams to show uptake on the services no matter what leading to perversion in tactics and complete alienation of the user bas…

> Regaining trust is extremely hard after you've crossed an edge. Microsoft needs to learn consent. Everywhere there's a Yes and "Remind me later", there has to be a No. And the No has to work and be remembered forever, not forgotten after the next update. Using Windows has to stop feeling like you're being roofied all the time.

It's not just Microsoft but they do it in the one of most nastiest ways. I won't count how many times I was checking if my Windows settings weren't randomly reverted to Microsoft-safe-defaults back after updates. And I'm still doing that on iOS and Android today - at least my desktop is free of such gymnastics.

We're at such point in the software history that perhaps this should be regulated. I know that such idea isn't particularly welcomed among hn but what else there left? A blind hope that some wind of changes will do the work? I don't think so.

Truth is that nearly every commercial software and service operates with compromising user privacy by default. It's the same constant nagging up until user surrenders. All of this so someone on the top of the corporate structure could get higher bonus from statistics.

This shouldn't be tolerated.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by p_ing »

kasabali wrote: post #385
p_ing wrote: post #326

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Peak in what way? Windows 2000 had sequential service startup. It took /ages/ to boot. The boot screen was pretty, though. XP was a security nightmare and out the gate was BSOD city, much of that thanks to 3rd party drivers, but the OS had fundamental kernel bugs, too. 7 was okay, but it isn't something you'd want to go back to with modern hardware. It lacks many features we find essential. TRIM being a big one. I'd…

> You won't find that level of stability in Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Windows 7. Nice try but you won't deceive any attentive readers. Everything you've told in that paragraph was applicable to Windows 7, it had all the stability and none of the user hostility of later versions.

I think you strung together a bunch of words that don't jive with real world experiences.

Windows 7 still had some fundamental kernel quality issues. WDDM 1.1 wasn't mature to the point of providing a stable experience across the board and vendors were still adapting to the WDDM model; kernel mode printer drivers were still common, both a stability and security knock for those older versions of Windows.

So no, Windows 7 did not have "all of the stability" of Windows 10 or 11.

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