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Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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"Fun" bonus fact: This isn't the first time Sama (the outsourcing company) has had these problems. OpenAI had them classify CSAM, so Sama fired them as a client back in 2022. https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/ We're 4 years on, 3 years since that report broke. Not a single thing has improved about how tech companies operate.

How else do you want companies to remove and prevent CSAM? It seems like you must have some human involvement to train and monitor. It’s a terrible job, I wouldn’t want to do it, but someone needs to. Perhaps one day, AI will be accurate enough to not need it, but even then you need someone to process complaints and waivers (like someone’s home photos being inaccurately flagged).

This is the swedish newspaper report quoted in the sumitted article: https://www.svd.se/a/K8nrV4/metas-ai-smart-glasses-and-data-...

There are more reasons why these jobs are located in developing countries, it's not only the price of labour. Imagine for a second, these annotations would have to be done in the US. The public outrage would probably be audible across the Atlantic. This is another form of imperialism.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

#422

Not sure which is worse here - that Meta are recording video from customers' smart glasses, or that they are firing people who talk about it.

Everything having to do with Meta, starting with its very name, has been evil from the start.

Did you know that after being an angel investor in facebook, Peter Thiel personally mentored Zuckerberg for couple of years? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP7Z_Eqxhxk

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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One of the bigger commercial niches for smart glasses is filming POV porn, so it is hardly surprising that sort of content ended up in the moderation queue. The project should have planned to account for that use case.

How do you moderate what people do? You send someone to stop them from having sex because it was streamed to your servers?

The key phrase from the article is "review content filmed on its smart glasses when people shared it with Meta AI". I take that to mean the user took some action to actively share the footage with Meta (although knowing Meta, that could also mean they just didn't opt out)

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Imagine someone pulling up a smartphone and then recording everything that happens around them. Contrast that with someone wearing smart glasses and doing that exact same thing. On a separate note, (and this is a genuine question) are you by any chance aware the term Non-consensual intimate imagery / NCII? I am beginning to suspect that the average HN goer isn’t aware of the scope and scale of the Trust and Safety pr…

Someone pulling up a smartphone on me would feel hostile because it's violating a social contract. Maybe I'd feel betrayed and attacked if it turned out someone was recording me using glasses, but I don't know, I don't care about dashcams and this is not that much different. I imagine it feels bad and scary for women when someone takes creepshots of them, and this tech does open opportunities for that. Maybe that wou…

1> Genie out of the bottle: Yes and no. Nudification is a growing problem, non consensual intimate imagery is a current problem. AI related tools for image gen still require some amount of skill, and that is reducing its blast radius.

2> NCII: Years ago, I was scoping reddit to identify content that was harmful from an Indian perspective. By far the largest category was NCII. This could range from morphed images, to intimate images reshared, to images from their socials reshared in thirst communities. This included images of underage children.

Removing NCII is rough. First the victim has to be willing to come forward and get over the shame. Then they have to deal with a near impossible system and get someone to help. The more conservative the nation, the less likely the support networks will be forgiving or helpful. Finally, once the data is out there, it’s going to be reflected across multiple sites which are in international jurisdictions.

This is one of the situations where, I fear, your life is simply hosed.

Korea is another country which has a severe problem with NCII, and I believe they even instituted laws against deepfaked porn.

>PR whitewashing: Heh. Well thats the division that deals with online safety, fraud, content moderation, policy and the rest. I believe eBay was the first firm to use that term when they were handling fraud.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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To add to the other replies, when it's an argument, it's pronounced like "how" not like "no".

Hence "rowdy"

I never made that connection before!

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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You don't necessarily reach the same population and some people, believe it or not, are afraid, unable or have difficulties to read yet are online.

Afraid to read Wikipedia? Unable to? What hellhole are you describing?

20% of adults in the USA read below a 5th-grade level.

https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/2024-2025-liter...

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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This headline reminds me that “row” is one of these words I’ve been mispronouncing almost my whole life (I just learned the correct pronunciation this year). In this context row rhymes with cow,¹ now dough. ⸻ 1. The first rhyme that came to mind was bow, but I realized there was a problem with that example.

You will appreciate: https://youtu.be/uZV40f0cXF4

:)

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. There's also nothing stopping us from stigmatizing the use of smartphones in public. Even a slight discouragement of it would be progress. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.

I think smartphones are a lost cause. Even at the gym, there are guys in the locker room taking pics of themselves in the mirror. Meanwhile I'm walking ass-naked out of the shower. There is just no sensitivity to appropriate time and place anymore.

> Meanwhile I'm walking ass-naked out of the shower

is this a Western/American thing about no shame regarding one's body in public places in the presence of other people, be it male or female?

I can never imagine this happening in my country.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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So you don't care that you're wrong? Not a surprise coming from someone handwaving away the mess Meta made.

In what regard is it incorrect that a single, larger entity that is at least notionally committed to avoiding the existence of any specific type of content on their platform is more likely to successfully avoid the existence of that type of content on their platform than smaller entities with less resources? Now consider that some of those smaller entities might not be even notionally interested in avoiding the exist…

Trying so hard not to say child porn.
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