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Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by type0 »

eertami wrote: post #405
sebtron wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a European in Europe and I expect the same. Why would I assume otherwise? The company laptop is full of spyware, starting from the OS. I have no reason to consider it "mine", and no desire to do so. If I want to do anything private (including things that my company would not like) I can do so from my private devices.

Europe is a big place, but in my area of Europe it is very illegal to monitor employees this way. If you were to be fired for something that illegal surveillance turned up, I would consider it a good thing - with the settlement money you could take a couple years of vacation.

> with the settlement money you could take a couple years of vacation.

In many EU countries even if privacy protection is strong on paper, the settlement will be so low compared to US that you won't afford to take any vacation.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by tlibert »

eqvinox wrote: post #391
eqvinox wrote: post #379

I bet this doesn't include higher management. Wonder why.

btw. There should be a word like dogfooding but for AI training. Dogtraining? Dogwalking? Dogfeeding?

Dog fighting is a type of blood sport that turns game and fighting dogs against each other in a physical fight, often to the death, for the purposes of gambling or entertainment to the spectators.[1] In rural areas, fights are often staged in barns or outdoor pits; in urban areas, fights are often staged in garages, basements, warehouses, alleyways, abandoned buildings, neighborhood playgrounds, or in the streets.[2][3] Dog fights usually last until one dog is declared a winner, which occurs when one dog fails to scratch, dies, or jumps out of the pit.[4] Sometimes dog fights end without declaring a winner; for instance, the dog's owner may call off the fight.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by DonHopkins »

javascriptfan69 wrote: post #392
Der_Einzige wrote: post #383

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Is this supposed to be funny

It's obviously an unwitting parody account. Calling yourself "Der Einzige" while reciting an incoherent script of internet clichés is indistinguishable from satire -- hilariously unintentional parody.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by pona-a »

cuuupid wrote: post #248
HoldOnAMinute wrote: post #53

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Are they merging with Palantir any time soon?

I'd argue Meta is much worse: Palantir builds these systems for the US government which is (hopefully) something you can hold accountable / can reasonably trust. Meta builds these systems for itself to make digital cocaine and sell personal data to profit off everyone (including and moreso primarily the elderly and children). You can't hold them accountable, actually pretty much nobody can hold Zuckerberg accountable…

> When Palantir helps USG spy on the planet the primary purpose is defeat enemies + protect assets.

I think it takes about the same amount of suspended disbelief to say that, as it takes a Facebook employee to believe the primary purpose of targeted ads is to connect customers and businesses.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by sylware »

lanyard-textile wrote: post #364
pjerem wrote: post #354

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Idk in the US but in France you are allowed to have personal data on your work computer. Though you have to label it as personal (like creating a « Personal » folder or label and your employer can still access it in case of suspicion but he must do it in your physical presence and accompanied with a witness, generally a representative of the employees. So you theoretically don’t have full privacy on this computer but…

I don't think we have sweeping regulations about it, at least in California. Most companies I've worked at have a policy of some "reasonable personal use" being permitted. The concern is usually focused on the other way around: Companies do not want their IP on your personal machines. They can certainly look at whatever is on their own machines, however, regardless if it is your personal data or not. One large caveat…

It is even worse in France: if you code open source "on the side" of you work, at home, the company which employs you may claim the copyrights of it. I had to add explicit exclusion of this claim of copyrights in my job contracts to protect my personal work.

That was a few years back, dunno if that was fixed.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by chmod775 »

whatevaa wrote: post #342
Avicebron wrote: post #321

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> Politicians will be the first to carve out exceptions for themselves for reasons of "security" while everyone else is surveilled. Well good thing we can just not vote for anyone and/or remove anyone who tries to take this stance. It's not like they are appointed by God.

How do you remove them?

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by samiv »

dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

Here's a wild idea..how about you know just talk?

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Post by unmole »

2ndorderthought wrote: post #232
Blackthorn wrote: post #169

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Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of people. My irony detector is sparking so badly I think it's about to blow.

As much as it's funny to dunk on meta this type of surveillance is becoming the norm. Failed start ups are selling all their emails, chats, commits, etc for companies to train on. Most job offers now come with statements about how you don't have right to your likeness, or your personal network I think most people assume that's for photo ops, but ... Yea. I expect more and more of this. products and product features r…

> Most job offers now come with statements about how you don't have right to your likeness

[citation needed]

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by jmorenoamor »

PradeetPatel wrote: post #83
dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. I work at a tech firm in India, and we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues, with the intention of reducing key personnel risk. A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code. I wo…

That's incredibly creepy tbh
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