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Post by chownie »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #417
chownie wrote: post #415

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Those who cannot convince, coerce. I don't trust your instinct and it doesn't seem like you can provide any evidence. Shame.

Yes well you are trusting your instinct, meanwhile the actual postings for RLHF work keep increasing, and the rates contractors accept keep going up. But who knows, maybe some superAI is going to take all their jobs away soon.

> meanwhile the actual postings for RLHF work keep increasing, and the rates contractors accept keep going up

If you knew this for fact you'd have something to corroborate, is this just vibes? Job loss numbers are published, at the very lowest end the estimates are 50k across 2025 in the US alone. I don't see any evidence RLHF is creating livelihoods at the rate AI is destroying them.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by DiscourseFan »

chownie wrote: post #421
DiscourseFan wrote: post #417

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Yes well you are trusting your instinct, meanwhile the actual postings for RLHF work keep increasing, and the rates contractors accept keep going up. But who knows, maybe some superAI is going to take all their jobs away soon.

> meanwhile the actual postings for RLHF work keep increasing, and the rates contractors accept keep going up If you knew this for fact you'd have something to corroborate, is this just vibes? Job loss numbers are published, at the very lowest end the estimates are 50k across 2025 in the US alone. I don't see any evidence RLHF is creating livelihoods at the rate AI is destroying them.

The economy is not a monad, some sectors grow rapidly, others shrink precipitously, and still others are very stable for many decades. Just because AI is booming right now does not mean that other areas will not experience deficits. And the AI boom is an international phenomenon, not restricted solely to the US, so it would be hard to measure the value of any labor input strictly according to US economic data.

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Post by DiscourseFan »

throwanem wrote: post #414
DiscourseFan wrote: post #284

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If you talk to the average individual outside of California or NYC about AI, or even Waymos, they will get increasingly irate and start spouting off about “water usage” and everyone’s jobs getting taken away—as if RLHF contract work is not available to basically anyone with a college degree. I hate to say it but you cannot trust “the masses,” Marx never said mob rule, he said rule by the proletarian, the class which…

Ah, the real Marxist constant finally rears its head. Thank you for so well demonstrating the primitive contempt for humanity which your ideology requires. What a shame none of you has actually read or studied any of that "theory" you prate about.

I would be perfectly happy to support your so-called humanity when you are capable of providing a rigorous definition of what it consists of, and one that does not require the concept of a "soul" or otherwise some basically racist, phrenological standard for the body. Because when you say humanity all I see are objects that are standardized almost too closely to the commodities they produce, a single standard that would unify and homogenize everyone in the world. That's why I don't care for "humanity," I care about power, physical power, creative power, what any individual is capable of with the right tools.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by throwanem »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #423
throwanem wrote: post #414

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Ah, the real Marxist constant finally rears its head. Thank you for so well demonstrating the primitive contempt for humanity which your ideology requires. What a shame none of you has actually read or studied any of that "theory" you prate about.

I would be perfectly happy to support your so-called humanity when you are capable of providing a rigorous definition of what it consists of, and one that does not require the concept of a "soul" or otherwise some basically racist, phrenological standard for the body. Because when you say humanity all I see are objects that are standardized almost too closely to the commodities they produce, a single standard that wo…

> when you say humanity all I see are objects

> I don't care for "humanity," I care about power

Yes, I know. I suppose at least you've read your Alinsky.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by DiscourseFan »

throwanem wrote: post #424
DiscourseFan wrote: post #423

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I would be perfectly happy to support your so-called humanity when you are capable of providing a rigorous definition of what it consists of, and one that does not require the concept of a "soul" or otherwise some basically racist, phrenological standard for the body. Because when you say humanity all I see are objects that are standardized almost too closely to the commodities they produce, a single standard that wo…

> when you say humanity all I see are objects > I don't care for "humanity," I care about power Yes, I know. I suppose at least you've read your Alinsky.

I’m not familiar with Alinsky, I’m more broadly influenced by the CCRU, although I suppose that makes my reading of Marx fairly idiosyncratic, though I do remain with him at the letter.

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Post by throwanem »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #425
throwanem wrote: post #424

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> when you say humanity all I see are objects > I don't care for "humanity," I care about power Yes, I know. I suppose at least you've read your Alinsky.

I’m not familiar with Alinsky, I’m more broadly influenced by the CCRU, although I suppose that makes my reading of Marx fairly idiosyncratic, though I do remain with him at the letter.

You're calling yourself a Marxist via those guys? Excuse me. Please carry on.

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Post by refurb »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #420
refurb wrote: post #409

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I mean this professor does because they put the work in to build a network. Nothing stops the average citizen from organizing and getting similar access to representatives. Instead we get people who don’t even know who their representative is claiming they’re sure the whole system is rigged. It’s not that different than people who claim there are no jobs when they haven’t even applied to any.

> Nothing stops the average citizen from organizing and getting similar access to representatives I disagree pretty strongly. There are tons of soft power social levers and bureaucratic structures designed exactly to prevent your average Joe from getting access to representatives Even a comparatively powerful person like a wealthy CEO of a big company often experiences friction trying to get access to public servants…

You’re mistaking “barriers” with logical prioritization.

Of course the groups that represent larger voting blocks get easier access - that makes perfect sense.

But like the example I gave - the access is possible. Most people who complain about a lack of access never tried.

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Post by Cytobit »

refurb wrote: post #288
mbgerring wrote: post #185

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I have worked on electoral and initiative campaigns, and traveled thousands of miles to knock on doors. I’ve donated money. I’ve called my congresspeople. I’ve gone to and spoken at public meetings. I’ve protested, been tear gassed, beaten, and thrown in jail. I’ve been doing all of this continuously for about 20 years. I can tell you, from extensive experience going through the official channels, that the formal mec…

If you don’t have large support for your ideas then it shouldn’t be a surprise it’s hard. But that’s the intent of the system? Represent what most people want.

Sam Altman and the other billionaires don't have to worry about "support".

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Post by MiguelX413 »

glerk wrote: post #291
poisonborz wrote: post #282

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> Lobbying against regulations (I support) one US mindset I can't wrap my mind around

There's a reason why OpenAI and Anthropic (and before them Google, Apple, Meta, etc.) were started in the US and not Europe. And let's not compare salaries we each get for similar work because that tends to make my European friends very sad.

I think their existence is a problem

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Post by DiscourseFan »

throwanem wrote: post #426
DiscourseFan wrote: post #425

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I’m not familiar with Alinsky, I’m more broadly influenced by the CCRU, although I suppose that makes my reading of Marx fairly idiosyncratic, though I do remain with him at the letter.

You're calling yourself a Marxist via those guys? Excuse me. Please carry on.

Nick Land moved to China, and AFAIK he teaches there now, so I wouldn't be the only one.
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