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81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by georgebcrawford »

whatsupdog wrote: post #258
moondance wrote: post #67

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Have you had the pleasure of coaching a technologically illiterate grandparent through the process of learning how to use a smartphone? It’s a never-ending job and disheartening for all parties involved. Modern mobile UX is not designed with accessibility for the elderly in mind, and it is constantly changing in a way that demands constant re-learning. Not to mention the disabilities and neurological conditions often…

The second biggest reason (after freedom to install apps) why I don't use an iphone is: for the love of God I can't use the gesture to switch windows. It used to be simple swipe up from bottom. Now you have to do an arc or something from the corner. I can never get it right.

That’s not true.

You can swipe up from the bottom, just as you described. That brings up the app switcher.

Or you swipe along the bottom in a straight line (no arc, no corner) to go directly between apps rather than choosing which one. Good for rapid switching.

I’m 90% sure it’s the exact same for Android. I switch every year or two and the most recent was in August I think.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by graemep »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #232
vaylian wrote: post #208

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> It doesn't have any more information than the info you give it to buy the tickets in the first place. Many apps ask for permission to use your GPS position and other sensor data, even though they don't need it. Most non-technical people don't understand what that means and will just allow it.

I have absolutely never in 15+ years of having an iPhone had an app ask for GPS or sensor data when it clearly wasn’t necessary for functionality like a maps app or Uber.

What is clearly necessary? I have had a supermarket app (on Android, I do not know the behaviour of the Apple app) ask for location to direct me to their click and collect point, but then keep requesting location data afterwards.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by graemep »

crazygringo wrote: post #97
graemep wrote: post #73

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Paper also does not run out of battery or smash if you drop it.

It does, however, easily get lost or left behind. Phones, on the other hand, can be charged. And if they're smashed, you can just log into your account on a friend's phone if you haven't replaced yours yet. If you can't even do that, you can go to the ticket window and they can look up your account information and verify your ticket.

Which is why I usually put tickets on my phone and have a printout.

> If you can't even do that, you can go to the ticket window and they can look up your account information and verify your ticket.

Queues and not long to catch a train, stations with no staff present... The latter has happened to be on the Tube and I had a problem exiting (with a conventional ticket!).

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by duskdozer »

pc86 wrote: post #295
jazzyjackson wrote: post #172

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I don't think the discourse is about just this one guy, it's about an entire class of people for whom swiping around a smartphone is a bewildering experience they managed to live their whole life so far without. If you're not adept at it, it makes you feel stupid, maybe you haven't had that experience but there's more to being a luddite than stubbornness. If I can get along with the rest of my life on a flip phone, i…

> If I can get along with the rest of my life on a flip phone, it seems pretty unreasonable to buy a device just to buy sports tickets. I would agree. It also seems unreasonable to expect the organization to make an exception to a completely legitimate anti-scalping measure for one person.

>for one person

For everybody. Nobody should be forced to use a proprietary phone app.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by duskdozer »

mzajc wrote: post #70

For reference, this is the application: https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/com.bamnetw... 8 trackers, 49 permissions. Whatever reason they gave for requiring the application, evidently they couldn't resist selling out their users in the end. Disgusting.

>Google AdMob

They can't resist squeezing every bit out

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by duskdozer »

xvector wrote: post #212
HotGarbage wrote: post #23

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Why should we be beholden to the two mega-corporations who control the smartphone market?

You can certainly get a smartphone from another company and run AOSP. But the problem isn't that this guy didn't want to use a smartphone, it's that he literally has never bothered to learn. Why should society cater to those that literally don't care to learn the essentials?

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Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by orf »

duskdozer wrote: post #411
orf wrote: post #383

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My man, they just think you’re crazy

I personally can't wait until one will be labeled crazy for wanting to live without a brain implant and its lovely personalized, curated life experiences.

not because of the lack of a phone, because of the relatively unprompted, outlandish and obvious lie. He might as well say "i don't have a phone because aliens took it".

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by antisol »

orf wrote: post #427
duskdozer wrote: post #411

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I personally can't wait until one will be labeled crazy for wanting to live without a brain implant and its lovely personalized, curated life experiences.

not because of the lack of a phone, because of the relatively unprompted, outlandish and obvious lie. He might as well say "i don't have a phone because aliens took it".

What part of this is an obvious lie and/or outlandish?

Kevin Mitnick was banned from using any computer for quite a while. This absolutely would have included smartphones if they'd been a thing at the time. People are banned from using computers and the Internet all the time.

If you're going to claim that the "national security risk" bit is outlandish, you might be interested to know that when Mitnick was in prison he was held in solitary because officials claimed he could dial NORAD, whistle modem noises into a phone, and start a nuclear war.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by antisol »

Raed667 wrote: post #189
tomwheeler wrote: post #84

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> If this guy has the money for a season pass (!) he has the money for a smartphone. Maybe it's not about the money. Maybe he does not want the negative consequences that come along with having a smartphone. Maybe he has dexterity issues that make using a smartphone difficult. Maybe he doesn't want to install their invasive app. Maybe he finds that paper tickets are easier to manage. Maybe he recognizes that the vend…

He can get a smartphone dedicated to the ticket app if it is such a huge piece of his life/hobby

What if he doesn't agree to google/apple's terms of service?

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by orf »

antisol wrote: post #428
orf wrote: post #427

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not because of the lack of a phone, because of the relatively unprompted, outlandish and obvious lie. He might as well say "i don't have a phone because aliens took it".

What part of this is an obvious lie and/or outlandish? Kevin Mitnick was banned from using any computer for quite a while. This absolutely would have included smartphones if they'd been a thing at the time. People are banned from using computers and the Internet all the time. If you're going to claim that the "national security risk" bit is outlandish, you might be interested to know that when Mitnick was in prison h…

Is your point that because you can name one person who was banned from using a computer before the invention of the smart phone, a receptionist working at a hospital would therefore consider that a reasonable and common reason for someone to not possess a smart phone?
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