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OpenAI closes funding round at an $852B valuation

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Re: OpenAI closes funding round at an $852B valuation

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This announcement completes the betrayal of their founding principles. "Our goal is to advance digital intelligence in the way that is most likely to benefit humanity as a whole, unconstrained by a need to generate financial return." - Not advancing digital intelligence - While locking people into a superapp - Because they are further constrained to generating financial returns

Is there a way out of this though? The seed is already planted and everything else is just a PR.

Re: OpenAI closes funding round at an $852B valuation

#422

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It’s not just a suggestion. It’s a demonstration.

And you are so bold for identifying it. You’re not just passively commenting. You’re creating something bigger, larger than yourself.

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Re: OpenAI closes funding round at an $852B valuation

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What's the point - exactly - of a company being sustainable?

Being profitable isn't the same as sustainable. Even a simple shop isn't profitable for months if it needs to buy stock up front, and run some ads to let people know about it. The money for that comes from the shop owners as an investment. This is the same thing but on a slightly bigger scale, over a longer time frame.

If your shop is unprofitable for years with no chance to recoup any of the costs, you close it, as your investments run out, and investors and banks stop giving you money as you keep losing them.

US tech companies just continue operating because "revenue and growth".

Re: OpenAI closes funding round at an $852B valuation

#424

I can't help but think building an "everything" app is so.. both unbelievably ambitious, and a folly. I am not personally convinced that people want all the things that this super app purports to do. I am from a generation that still sits behind a desktop computer when making "big purchases." I can't even buy a flight on my phone. I am so much less likely to want to have an AI agent do that for me. Then the idea that…

I think you lack imagination. This is going to be the future because it is legitimately a step up from the previous ways of doing things. I can do things that were way more difficult before. It doesn't have to be AI all the way - no one's asking AI to book things on its own and make the payments on their own. What does work is, make AI do the research and you verify and you do the payment. Human in the loop. To me th…

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Re: OpenAI closes funding round at an $852B valuation

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They aren't reporting anything yet. What we hearing is just from news media who get their leaks/info from investors who get some form of IR reports/ presentation. Both will do public reporting only when they IPO[4] and have regulatory requirement to do so every quarter. For private companies[1] reporting to investors there are no fixed rules really[3] Even for public companies, there is fair amount of leeway on how G…

Does the GAAP accounting matter if everyone passively buys shares due to the new fast entry rules, which corruptly will force us all to buy into these companies? The fundamentals and true value seem less relevant than ever: https://www.benzinga.com/markets/tech/26/03/51248353/michael...

what would force you? I guess if you are a greedy bastard you might feel that way...

Re: OpenAI closes funding round at an $852B valuation

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Does the GAAP accounting matter if everyone passively buys shares due to the new fast entry rules, which corruptly will force us all to buy into these companies? The fundamentals and true value seem less relevant than ever: https://www.benzinga.com/markets/tech/26/03/51248353/michael...

Yes gaap absolutely matters. You can just choose not to play the accounting game, and only choose the ones that actually gaap viable as investment opportunities. For example mag7 - tesla are all relatively cheap when they dip. Some times the best play is just not to play. If you think they are too risky, walk away. There are enough good oppotunities

    > mag7 (minus) tesla are all relatively cheap when they dip
I asked ChatGPT for a list of Magnificent 7 stocks and their most recent price to earnings (PE) ratios.

    Company Ticker P/E Ratio
    Apple Inc. AAPL ~33
    Microsoft Corporation MSFT ~25
    Alphabet Inc. GOOGL ~29
    Amazon.com Inc. AMZN ~30
    NVIDIA Corporation NVDA ~38
    Meta Platforms Inc. META ~28
    Tesla Inc. TSLA ~378
In the last 50 years, I think the median PE ratio for S&P 500 index is about 15. Seven and below is considered rock bottom, and 30 and above is very high. These PE ratios look pretty damn high to me.

How much do these names need to "dip" for you to consider them cheap?

Re: OpenAI closes funding round at an $852B valuation

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Being profitable isn't the same as sustainable. Even a simple shop isn't profitable for months if it needs to buy stock up front, and run some ads to let people know about it. The money for that comes from the shop owners as an investment. This is the same thing but on a slightly bigger scale, over a longer time frame.

If your shop is unprofitable for years with no chance to recoup any of the costs, you close it, as your investments run out, and investors and banks stop giving you money as you keep losing them. US tech companies just continue operating because "revenue and growth".

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Re: OpenAI closes funding round at an $852B valuation

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Friends of mine working in AI companies are saying we’ll be lucky if they only triple. More like 10-20x long term, especially for enterprise

Oh, I read it as the number of subscribers would triple, but you're suggesting the price will? That makes a little more sense, because the number of subscribers are so low that tripling won't really make much difference in terms of turning a profit.

It's for companies to replace people. Works out ok for them. Even four times isn't that much

Re: OpenAI closes funding round at an $852B valuation

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They aren't reporting anything yet. What we hearing is just from news media who get their leaks/info from investors who get some form of IR reports/ presentation. Both will do public reporting only when they IPO[4] and have regulatory requirement to do so every quarter. For private companies[1] reporting to investors there are no fixed rules really[3] Even for public companies, there is fair amount of leeway on how G…

They aren't reporting anything yet. What we hearing is just from news media who get their leaks/info from investors who get some form of IR reports/ presentation. The $24b figure is literally in OpenAI's announcement. The $19b ARR and $6b added in Feb came directly from Anthropic CEO recently.

> The $24b figure is literally in OpenAI's announcement.

And? That's not a legislated report; they can use whatever mechanism they want to, without disclosure, to produce numbers.

Lets wait until they are regulated as a public company, then their mechanism has to be both aligned with what legislation requires as well as clearly documented in their report.

Re: OpenAI closes funding round at an $852B valuation

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I lost track when business analysts stopped analysing CEO-level commitments and outputs and performance. right now, it seems that whatever promise is taken as certain and company puffery (using the language invented by themselves) is taken lightly to tricky investor in throwing money.

the whole thing did not yet crash because it seems they can still promise even more without actually delivering definite results

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