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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by deaux »

Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

>It’s quite common for companies

It's quite common for megacorps, FAANG and friends, NASDAQ bigwigs.

It's rare for small companies, and extremely rare for independent developers.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by Am4TIfIsER0ppos »

dmos62 wrote: post #363
apetresc wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is not public infrastructure. If the government's reliance on it has reached the level of "national importance", then that's the problem that needs to be addressed, not Windows' ownership. Public infrastructure should be built on open-source, period.

Why is Windows not public infrastructure? Because it's privately owned, or because it's not relevant to enough of the public? I argue that it is public in function. My thinking matches yours as regards OSS.

The government haven't yet mandated you use windows. Yet. It will be soon, like with androids and iphones, for user identification so the government knows who sends every network packet.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by vovavili »

bayindirh wrote: post #283
Ranxer wrote: post #104

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Better yet: don't pick any poison at all -- both System76 and Tuxedo Computers (as examples, sometimes you can buy a latop without an OS and save the money, same goes for PCs) offer laptops with Linux installed: no Microslop tax, and hardware that's guaranteed to work with OSS.

Personally I'm a huge Linux supporter and user. I try my best to not to use any non-free software, and while I prefer macOS laptops, I always have an exit strategy if I decide to ditch the platform. Recently, I decided to start making music again after a decade of hiatus. I got a nice audio interface and some hardware which can do nifty things. The catch? None of the supporting software for my hardware runs on Linux.…

That's kind of my experience dabbling into Linux as well. You're effectively turning your laptop into a fancy tablet, which is okay only if you're not doing some professional work in specific niches that are mostly seamless with macOS/Windows. Niche hardware usually is out of the question.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by duped »

ptero wrote: post #11

Microsoft lost its way much earlier than 4 years ago. It abused users at the time of Netscape wars and forcing Internet Explorer down people's throats. But they hit an infinite gold mine with government adoption and for the last 30 years no amount of bad engineering was able to shake off government use. Windows 11 is bad? Yes, but did you try Microsoft Teams? The only way to force Microsoft into "users matter" engine…

> Yes, but did you try Microsoft Teams?

People seem to forget Teams is the unloved child of a forced marriage between acquisitions, it was never going to turn out successful.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by arowthway »

quietbritishjim wrote: post #369
arowthway wrote: post #66

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If you don't claim it's inapropriate then what's left to agree about?

I their point was: the comment they were replying to ("Beating is a normal English idiom") was being disingenuous. Saying something like "the benchmarks took a beating in the new version" would be inoffensive but "flowers after the beating" is much more specifically about abuse in a relationship. I don't think "Whether or not you think it's appropriate" was meant to say, don't worry it's fine. I think it just meant,…

Thanks, I get it now. I'm not sure if the comment was necessarily disingenuous but it's clearly not used as an idiom.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by AdamN »

tantalor wrote: post #408
nicoburns wrote: post #380

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> I think the only way this gets better for consumers is if customer response more often insisted further roll backs than just the last straw if a company crosses the line. I think consumers have little power here. Our economic system fundamentally chooses to reward such behaviour. Until we change that, the power will always be with these kind of companies. Perhaps governments could levy punative fines in such situat…

> consumers have little power here Don't buy their products, and tell your friends

By friends we mean IT leadership in organizations which really needs to be making the case for MacOS, Linux, ChromeOS, or whatever instead of (but more likely in addition to) Windows.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by crancher »

fortran77 wrote: post #252
zabzonk wrote: post #97

> injected advertisements into the Windows 11 Start menu's "Recommended" section. These showed up labeled "Promoted" and pushed apps like Opera browser and some password manager nobody asked for. And the Start menu was just one surface, they also placed ads on the lock screen, in the Settings homepage hawking Game Pass subscriptions sorry, I have never seen these supposed ads in win11. the lock screen does display ic…

I have the same experience. I'm on a Windows Surfuace 7 Arm laptop right now. There's no Copilot icon next to the start menu. I press the start icon and I don't see a single ad anywhere. There are no ads on my screen. I use Edge and I don't see anything odd while I shop. Granted, I run "Pro." Maybe the home edition has more of this? I pay for a 365/OneDrive subscription and it works well. I get the apps on desktop/la…

Macs don't need Apple accounts at all. I just set up three Macs with no Apple accounts, not needed for intended use. They all work fine. Apple accounts are only needed if access to Apple services is desired.

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Post by JollySharp0 »

cmicali wrote: post #251
ccppurcell wrote: post #152

I believe they are abusing their customers but I think it's in poor taste to compare this to domestic violence.

I agree and appreciate you calling this out. It’s easy to not understand the impact or meaning of referring to violence in a flip way when one has never had to have experienced it.

The guy was a Darknet Vendor and has been to Jail/Prison in the US.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by abustamam »

AdamN wrote: post #426
tantalor wrote: post #408

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> consumers have little power here Don't buy their products, and tell your friends

By friends we mean IT leadership in organizations which really needs to be making the case for MacOS, Linux, ChromeOS, or whatever instead of (but more likely in addition to) Windows.

Yeah exactly. But I don't think my local state university, my wife's accounting firm, or my clients are going to ever switch from Windows, no matter how user hostile it becomes. One could dream.
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