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Post by IAmGraydon »

pixl97 wrote: post #370
IAmGraydon wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bot problem can easily be solved. It’s just that no one likes the cure. Think about this for a minute: what would happen if you had a country where all its citizens could act anonymously with no consequences, no reputation, no repercussions, and no trace? Would you want to go there? Live there? No, because it would be a lawless wasteland dominated by the worst of the worst. Yet people act like the internet is som…

So you are missing something here. Up until recently IRL was anonymous by the nature of capturing all that data of what people are doing was expensive and difficult to process. Cameras weren't everywhere either.

If you lie to me in the real world, I know what you look like and won’t trust you again. You cannot change your face. If you punch me in the real world, I can punch you back. If you stab me in the real world, you’re likely going to jail once the police catch up to you. You don’t do any of those things because the lack of anonymity imparts consequence. There is no anonymity in the real world unless you run around in a full face mask, in which case no one will trust you anyways.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by stringfood »

r0fl wrote: post #287
mvkel wrote: post #272

The patterns were there if you knew to look for them. The original Digg excepted, Kevin Rose's attention span is extremely limited. He will give something ~3-4 months of attention before (apparently) getting bored and wanting to move on to something else. Up until that point, he will be an unrelenting hype man of whatever his attention is lasered on at that moment. Then the hype posts start to drift. They show up onc…

Milk Moonbirds Digg Too comfortable with money in the bank to give full attention to a new venture. I'm done falling for the Kevin Rose hype train. Long time fan but this is just pathetic.

I think anyone with tens of millions of dollars would find it hard to compete in the business world - they should stay in their garden with their rare plants

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by ranger_danger »

emaro wrote: post #414
ranger_danger wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lemmy is even worse on the moderation front, even with public logs: https://a.imagem.app/G3R9xb.png

Lemmy isn't simply Lemmy since it's federated. A screenshot like this is somewhat meaningless without specifying on which instance this happened. There are instances with very lax or even no moderation at all.

For the majority of large, well-federated instances, I don't think it's meaningless, because deletions also propagate to other instances.

If a mod on one server doesn't like something I say, and they delete my comment, all the other (well-behaved) federated instances will also delete my comment.

Of course this also creates problems in the other direction, like servers that ignore deletion requests.

That combined with a large amount of blocked instances across the board, I feel like you get into this "which direction would you like to piss into the wind" situation where you have no idea how many people/instances will actually see your message if at all.

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Post by abetusk »

deanc wrote: post #120
mikeocool wrote: post #51

Kinda seems like we’re rapidly headed for the complete collapse of the internet as we know it. Every site that is driven by user posting seems to be headed towards being overrun by AI bots chatting with each other, either for sake of promoting something or farming karma. And there’s really not much point in publishing good content anymore, since AI is just going slurp it up and regurgitate it without driving you any…

The bot problem cannot be solved. Even if you strongly authenticate, people are letting bots act on their behalf (moltbook is a great example of this) and what's to stop people doing that in the future. Build your identity and reputation autonomously with the benefits that come with that. This happens now on Onlyfans too. Content creators hire agencies which in the best case outsource chatting to "customers" to armie…

The bot problem can be solved.

Anubis is one such answer [0]. Cryptocurrency and micro transactions are another.

In the last few decades, spam was a problem because the marginal transaction costs of information exchange were orders of magnitude lower than they had been. Note that physical mail spam was, and still, is an issue. Focusing on perceptual or fuzzy computation as the limiting factor, through captchas and other 'human tests', allowed for most spam to be effectively mitigated.

Now that intelligence is becoming orders of magnitude cheaper, perceptual computation challenges no longer work, but we can still do computation challenges in the form of proof of work or proxies thereof. Spam will never wholly go away but we can at least cause more friction by charging bot networks to execute in the form of energy or money.

[0] https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by deanc »

abetusk wrote: post #424
deanc wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bot problem cannot be solved. Even if you strongly authenticate, people are letting bots act on their behalf (moltbook is a great example of this) and what's to stop people doing that in the future. Build your identity and reputation autonomously with the benefits that come with that. This happens now on Onlyfans too. Content creators hire agencies which in the best case outsource chatting to "customers" to armie…

The bot problem can be solved. Anubis is one such answer [0]. Cryptocurrency and micro transactions are another. In the last few decades, spam was a problem because the marginal transaction costs of information exchange were orders of magnitude lower than they had been. Note that physical mail spam was, and still, is an issue. Focusing on perceptual or fuzzy computation as the limiting factor, through captchas and ot…

I don't see how Anubis solves anything. If a human lets the bot control a completely vanilla computer (which there is now a lot of tooling for), then how is it going to stop that?

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Post by bigbadfeline »

pndy wrote: post #405
ThalesX wrote: post #135

I recently activated my account on there and went to the forum for my country. It was already taken over by moderators. Then I looked at the mod and he took all real estate that is already available on Reddit that is related to said country. So in a way, he was probably the first account on there and became god-king for eternity for the subreddits related to the country. I had no idea who he was, what he stood for, w…

It's either some personal unquenched thirst for power or he thought that new digg will be as popular as these ~20 years ago, and that he'll be able to control content submitted and get paid for "promoting" it. I've seen something similar over the last ~17 years: a bunch of same terminally online accounts uploading content from our local media outlets on country-related subs and local digg-like sites - both active and…

An outstanding summary of the most important trends on the web, yes, it's being turned into a one-way propaganda-pushing machine much like the mass media before it. AI and bot-farms made that transformation cheap and ubiquitous, the profit motive, aka bribery, takes care of the rest.

I don't think it's an unsolvable problem although new legislation is continuously being considered in order to make the solution harder. Still, not impossible.

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Post by mvkel »

stringfood wrote: post #422
r0fl wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Milk Moonbirds Digg Too comfortable with money in the bank to give full attention to a new venture. I'm done falling for the Kevin Rose hype train. Long time fan but this is just pathetic.

I think anyone with tens of millions of dollars would find it hard to compete in the business world - they should stay in their garden with their rare plants

Having contempt for someone because of how much money they have (or have not) is not a virtuous trait

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Post by jlarocco »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #46

So as predicted it wasn't really worth eyeballs or the inevitable forced media coverage 6 months ago. And I will continue to die on the will die on the hill that Reddit only survived/became "successful" because of the legendary Digg slip up and exodus. Alexis Ohanian still doesn't seem to have any clue that it was right-place-right-time and Kevin Rose seems to have not learned much either. Can we stop giving either a…

I'm pretty sure 95% of the success of all internet and tech companies boils down to extreme luck and being in the right place at the right time. Any time one of the founders is giving advice, always take it with a huge grain of salt. Survivorship bias to the extreme.

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Post by DougN7 »

jayd16 wrote: post #362
ThalesX wrote: post #135

I recently activated my account on there and went to the forum for my country. It was already taken over by moderators. Then I looked at the mod and he took all real estate that is already available on Reddit that is related to said country. So in a way, he was probably the first account on there and became god-king for eternity for the subreddits related to the country. I had no idea who he was, what he stood for, w…

Has any popular site tried an approach where you dynamically select your mods as more of a content filter than global moderation? Most places can hide posts and block users at the user level, so why not select which mods can do that for you?

How do you make sure each human gets only one vote?

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by jayd16 »

DougN7 wrote: post #429
jayd16 wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has any popular site tried an approach where you dynamically select your mods as more of a content filter than global moderation? Most places can hide posts and block users at the user level, so why not select which mods can do that for you?

How do you make sure each human gets only one vote?

It's not a vote. You select your own set filters/ mod lists
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