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Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Browsers use available RAM for cache, but they don't require that much. Firefox officially supports running on Macs down to 512MB of RAM. It will just be slower.

Try opening a google spreadsheet in 512 Mb ram.

Interesting, what happens?

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Yes. See UTM: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/utm-se-retro-pc-emulator/id156... Unfortunately, the performance is very poor due to Apple restrictions on iOS.

What do you mean by Apple restrictions? Are they arbitrary restrictions Apple puts on them to prevent this kind of thong?

It is mostly around Just-In-Time (JIT) compilation. From what I can tell, it is an arbitrary restriction for apps published on the App Store. It looks like UTM can be sideloaded without the restriction.

See the UTM iOS installation documentation for more information: https://docs.getutm.app/installation/ios/

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Apple have historically moved forward minimum requirements for macOS and apps a bit aggressively. They need to slow that down now if they want us to take the macbook neo seriously.

Good. So many software developers have gotten so lazy with RAM usage in the past few decades. I hope the Neo is a kick in the pants to get everyone in the Apple ecosystem to take memory usage seriously. More efficient software benefits everyone.

> So many software developers have gotten so lazy with RAM usage in the past few decades.

Fewer developers want to write ASM or C, today. Slower to market, slower to roll out features, etc. While that may seem like a good thing, and probably could be, the market doesn't like it.

Developer choose heavy weight frameworks or don't make use of modern features in said frameworks to improve performance. And in some cases, performance can be 'good enough'. If I pretended to be a developer, if my app performs well enough, it's not my problem what else is running on your system. Besides, the OS governs it all regardless.

That said, macOS has a terrible memory leak _somewhere_ that impacts even OOTB apps and this hasn't been corrected for the last two major releases.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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The definition of bloat is something that you don’t use, even if someone else does.

There’s a big difference between unnecessary applications taking up space on your storage device, and unnecessary services running in the background competing for RAM and CPU with the applications you actually want to run.

You've defined every OS that doesn't let you customize what services run, which Windows certainly does. As you strip away certain services, functionality is going to be limited, but the capability is there and has been since NT was released - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxIgY0tQqR4.

You have options on macOS via launchctl, but I'm not sure how low you can go.

Neither give you the same capability as Linux, of course.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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There's an unspoken rule in corporate America, colleges, etc. Laptops MUST be loaded down with terrible software, no exceptions. My last corporate laptop actually had the paid version of winzip in 2025, and it ran with a little tray icon that I couldn't disable or remove. That was in addition to all the other corporate crap I couldn't remove. Some of this is not _just_ a corporate problem. Why would Winzip have an au…

Our corporate linux machines have exactly the same monitoring software as Windows - even the servers. The performance is still not even remotely comparable. Could be the hooks are more performant on linux, could be the filesystem, maybe the tools are written more sanely... But loading apps, filesystem operations... Everything is still far faster on the linux dev instance. And I have half the ram allocated to that one…

If your benchmark is file systems, this is due to the file system filter model that NT implements, not the file system itself.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Other than hardware it could also be some third-party software hooking into Explorer to do who knows what.

Microsoft is responsible for the UX of the ecosystem they create. Things that extend the OS are part of that responsibility. It shouldn't be possible for such a thing to happen. The OS could just show the damn menu after 500ms even if some extension hasn't responded.

The reason the Windows 11 menu changed was to solve for this exact issue.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Took 6 minutes from power button to login prompt this morning. Probably even longer from login responsive desktop. So yes, probably!

I’ve helped someone with a rather clean iMac, circa 2019, still supported by Apple. Forget 6 minutes — you can spend a full hour from boot to giving up trying to get anything done. I think that Apple has gotten so used to having fast storage in their machines that the newer OSes basically don’t work on spinning rust.

APFS is not designed for spinning rust, so that tracks.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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How is this even usable with 8GB RAM?

macOS is significantly better built than Windows.

The kernel is technically inferior to NT, especially with memory management (see OOM on macOS while NT will keep going).

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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If Apple continues with the budget Neo brand into a 12 GB iteration, I can see this becoming more realistic (rather than a novelty). That being said, Parallels may need to review its licensing with a budget tier in mind. Few will buy a cheap computer and then pay what Parallels charges for a license (regardless if one-time or subscription). They need to introduce something below the Standard license targeting the Neo…

VMWare Fusion is free, even if it is a pain in the butt to download. It also has GPU paravirtualization for Linux/Windows which is the only reason I use a proprietary VMM on macOS these days.

I take this back: UTM has Venus in there with KosmicKrisp – the works, as of January. Long live QEMU.
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