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Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by wolvoleo »

emptybits wrote: post #15

I'm in BC. The astro-nerd in me would have preferred to see permanent Standard Time instead of a permanent +1 offset. Instinctively, I think morning light is important to our biology for a daily reset and the solar cue of "high noon" is also a real thing. I'm sure I've read that sleep health experts have historically supported a change to permanent Standard Time, not DST. I respect there are economic arguments for pe…

I personally love the DST option because I'd have some useful daylight after work in winter.

The mornings are just wasted daylight anyway because I'm just on the way to work.

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by [deleted] »

messe wrote: post #259
pkulak wrote: post #253

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I guess. I'm at 46 degrees and civil twilight at Christmas starts at 7am. I get up at 6:30, so yeah, dead of winter, I spend 30 minutes in darkness. But that's better than 1:30. I guess it kinda hinges on this idea of "wasting" daylight. I don't feel like that. I want the sun to wake me up, and have no problem doing whatever I like when it's dark in the evening. Do people generally go on hikes after work? I go out fo…

56 degrees here (Denmark, and grew up in Ireland @ 53 degrees). > I guess it kinda hinges on this idea of "wasting" daylight. I don't feel like that. I want the sun to wake me up The problem is that during the darkest parts of winter, even if I postpone my wake up as long as possible, I'm still getting up in the dark if I want to be able to commute into work on time. There's no sunlight waking me up. > Do people gene…

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Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by SpecialistK »

brailsafe wrote: post #291
SpecialistK wrote: post #41

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I was being generous. Which wasn't really justified considering Eby's track record.

At least he has a decent housing minister

Touche. The rezoning policy is one of the very few things I can give credit for.

Since you're discussing BC housing policy, I assume you know of the amazing Uytae Lee?

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Post by hilbert42 »

henrikschroder wrote: post #410
andyferris wrote: post #193

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But that's the whole thing. Why change the clocks when we could change the definition of school time, business hours, liquor/gambling licensing hours, construction noise hours, etc? Just use standard time and then base our society around the physics of the sun.

The reason for daylight savings, as batshit insane as it sounds, is that it's easier to authoritatively tell people what time it is, with a one-hour jump twice a year, than to tell people to change business hours twice a year for a better experience around daylight. It's absolutely fascinating from a psychology standpoint. My one big hope for when countries now stop doing the stupid clock change thing, is that people…

"…easier to authoritatively tell people what time it is, with a one-hour jump twice a year,…"

Exactly. Also, changing business hours to suit specific work conditions would ease traffic congestion. For instance, a farmer would milk cows at different times of the year. Similarly, milk tankers would be on the road at hours set by cows' routines.

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by brailsafe »

SpecialistK wrote: post #424
brailsafe wrote: post #291

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At least he has a decent housing minister

Touche. The rezoning policy is one of the very few things I can give credit for. Since you're discussing BC housing policy, I assume you know of the amazing Uytae Lee?

He's one of my fave local video ppl, fairly sure we live in the same neighbourhood

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Post by eigenspace »

wink wrote: post #391

Ignoring the fact itself, doing this in a single province and not the whole country is the really wild thing for me (as a European). I have opinions about DST but having it different per German state sounds much more horrible than anything we have now, no matter how complicated the rules are.

Well, Canada is a VERY wide country. We have 4.5 time zones across the country, and BC itself is as wide as Germany.

Perhaps even more surprising for you maybe is that even within a Canadian province, its not just one time zone. There are several regions along the border between BC and Alberta that already eliminated daylight savings time years and years ago, so they were on a different time zone for half the year.

E.g. the Peace River Region

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by rkomorn »

mongol wrote: post #420
rkomorn wrote: post #362

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I don't get how having "random" things change opening hours is any better than changing clocks. I'm not a parent, but I can imagine that if some of my schedule had to change by 30 minutes some months out of the year, I'd find it more inconvenient. What if school starts/ends at a different time but my job does not? What if I have a standing appointment at a business that keeps its hours year round that now conflicts w…

It is completely obvious to me. There is only one uniform time, and thousands of arguments for what is a good time to do this or that. Reschedule things to work better. Don't force everything else according to some most important thing

How is "rescheduling some things" a solution and not a different problem?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #408
wink wrote: post #391

Ignoring the fact itself, doing this in a single province and not the whole country is the really wild thing for me (as a European). I have opinions about DST but having it different per German state sounds much more horrible than anything we have now, no matter how complicated the rules are.

For your entertainment, look up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Arizona#Daylight_savin... Arizona, unlike the rest of the US, does not observe Daylight Savings Time (good!). However the Navajo Nation, whose territory is largely in Arizona, does. However the Hopi Reservation, which is inside the Navajo Nation territory inside Arizona, does not. Let me rephrase that: - The USA does DST - Arizona (in the USA) does…

I wonder how mobile network operators (the modern authorities of time) deal with this situation.

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by ndr42 »

PhilippGille wrote: post #77
ndr42 wrote: post #22

In germany the terms are Sommerzeit (summer time) and Winterzeit (winter time). Of course everybody would chose the former as summer sound better than winter but the latter is "better" as it corresponds more to "wake up when there is light" which is favorable to health, performance etc.

That's a very dishonest take, as I'm sure you know that Sommerzeit proponents have reasons other than "summer sounds better than winter". For example most people just wake up and go to work in the morning, but in the evening they meet friends, BBQ, hike/run through nature, do sports etc., and prefer doing those activities while it's bright outside.

My "very dishonest take" is the result of the polls after the EU parliament voted to stop the time change.

The question in these polls had been which time the person would prefer. A big majority in Germany chose "summer time". So without any reasons given/discussed/researched the preference is summer time.

Of course there are proponents with reasons for or against this or that time but this doesn't matter as the majority does not decide by reasons.

My point is that alone the naming the time "summer" or "winter" influences the preference to a big extent.

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