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The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by kakacik »

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote: post #394
epolanski wrote: post #351

The president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.

People still believe October 7th attacks weren't intentionally allowed? There is a lot of legitimate debate on this topic as the security failures are unusual and are still officially being discussed in Israel.

Well either utter incompetence of every part of military of israel, or planned to allow it to happen. They even removed most of the guards spread across the region, those who were left were often only with pistols from what I've heard. They were closely monitoring hamas training for exactly this just before it happened.

Sure, some incompetent russian fsb officer who got his place thanks to nepotism may miss that, but mosad, on border with one's mortal enemy? Give me a break, there is 0 logic and knowledge of the involved parties in such thinking.

But its expected, say soviet union went to great lengths to make state terror official and legal, justified and all by th books. Not sure for whom since all knew what chaotic terror was happening all the time and there was often no logic in who was next, but the face of the regime needed to have everything straight and square.

Anyway, those who actually care about the topic understand it well, its not some superbly hidden scheming bur rather facts in plain sight. The rest of folks simply don't care

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by ekianjo »

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote: post #394
epolanski wrote: post #351

The president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.

People still believe October 7th attacks weren't intentionally allowed? There is a lot of legitimate debate on this topic as the security failures are unusual and are still officially being discussed in Israel.

Careful people will call you an antisemite for even bringing this topic.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by JasonADrury »

epolanski wrote: post #351

The president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.

>I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.

If October 7th is an "insane horror", what words will suffice to describe the decades of far worse crimes committed by Israel?

Considering the scale of suffering caused by this conflict, October 7th was just a small blip.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by knorker »

_heimdall wrote: post #417
sega_sai wrote: post #363

The take home message from this is that the only way for any country to be secure is to have nuclear weapons.

How does that factor in here right now? We haven't used or threatened to use nukes, and at least the public case made is in part that Iran is trying to get nukes and shouldn't. I say "public case" specifically here, I don't buy that justification but it is still the one being used.

How does it factor in? How doesn't it?

If Iran had deployable nukes, would they get invaded?

Name a country that got bombed to credibly destroy the government, and had nukes. I'll wait.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by Arun2009 »

I am just befuddled by how much of this violence is directly motivated by religious concerns, both on the side of Iran and on the side of Israel and USA.

I have been reading on the topic of shunyata or emptiness in Mahayana Buddhism, and have been uncomfortably observing just how much of the artifacts we take to be real and substantial in the world are just "made up". They don't have an inherent reality of their own except what we attribute to them. And yet, made up stories can have very real consequences in terms human suffering.

It ought to be possible to cut through the layers of reifications and simply defuse much of the strife in the world. And yet, we continue to inflict misery on each other unnecessarily.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by tgv »

kome wrote: post #19

shameful for the west, and a tragedy. leave iran alone. defending the mullahs wasn't exactly on my bingo card, but here we are... please, can somebody in the US or Israel have an "are we the baddies" epiphany?

There's no way you can defend the Iranian leadership. Toppling them is not shameful, just like ousting Saddam Hussein was IMO reasonable. The problem is what happens afterwards.
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