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Windows 11 Notepad to support Markdown

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Re: Windows 11 Notepad to support Markdown

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Post by edp »

sysguest wrote: post #306
zadikian wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile TextEdit on Mac always rendered HTML. Which seems useless until you realize it can also edit and save as HTML. So there's casually a wysiwyg web editor built into macOS that idk how many people use.

idk maybe TextEdit DOES have some rce not discovered yet? maybe we should separate "real origianl text-only editor" from "fancy text editor"? windows already got wordpad... why even lay a finger on textpad?

Windows had wordpad but it was discontinued two years ago : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPad

Re: Windows 11 Notepad to support Markdown

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Post by VerifiedReports »

return_to_monke wrote: post #105
MoonWalk wrote: post #83

So the markup dialect that's widely used but suffers from a near-total lack of viewers will now finally be rendered as intended, at least on Windows? Markdown presents a chicken-&-egg scenario that has dragged on for decades: tons of Markdown documents, but almost nothing with which to simply view (not edit) them as intended. Mystifying.

The point of markdown is that it is human-readable not only in "rendered" html form, but plain text too. I think this explains the lack of viewers; they are simply not needed.

No, it doesn't. First, I don't know what you mean by "HTML form." It's not HTML at all.

Second: If the formatting codes are going to be ignored by all the viewing applications, why are they in the document in the first place?

Every time this comes up, someone floats this weird "but all you need is a text viewer" argument... indicating that Markdown is pointless.

Re: Windows 11 Notepad to support Markdown

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Post by krige »

LevGoldstein wrote: post #359
lenkite wrote: post #309

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It is certainly perceptibly slow. Carried out a test on my 12 year old PC running Win-10 vs a new HP Win11 laptop of my friend which he bought in a hurry before price increases. Opened a directory of several thousand files with nested folders - much slower at navigation. Much slower at opening right-click menus. Much slower at pretty much everything. M$ has now introduced web-latency into the desktop along with their…

> M$ has now introduced web-latency into the desktop along with their adoption of web-tech into the OS. So we're back to the woes of Active Desktop on Windows 98. Everything old is new again.

You could at least disable Active Desktop to dethrottle your PC. Meanwhile, my work W11 PC has a second+ delay for explorer right click and there's nothing I can do about it.

Re: Windows 11 Notepad to support Markdown

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Post by torginus »

jchw wrote: post #405

> Coloring book will be available only on Copilot+ PCs. To use Coloring book, you will need to sign in with your Microsoft account. Can someone please explain why these two things are ever simultaneously true? You buy the stupid Copilot+ PC that has "AI" NPU hardware, right? So the AI features should be able to run locally. But if you have to sign in with a Microsoft account, then surely, it doesn't run locally, whic…

I feel the deepest existential pain in my heart that despite companies being 'all in' on AI, they can't integrate anything meaningful that would make sense to the end use, but would require even a braincells worth of mental effort of ML expertise or actual requirements people have.

My two favourite 'AI' tools in image editing have been ones that can replace tedious work.

One such example are segmentation models that can be used for smart cutouts, removing backgrounds etc.

Now we have both 'segmentation' and 'AI' in paint - but the segmentation uses the exact same shitty flood fill with tolerance that's probably existed in the first paint program at Xerox PARC, while the 'AI' feature is another by-the-numbers crappy stable diffusion model that's strictly worse than anything you could get with your first Google search.

Re: Windows 11 Notepad to support Markdown

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Post by torginus »

barrkel wrote: post #419
jchw wrote: post #405

> Coloring book will be available only on Copilot+ PCs. To use Coloring book, you will need to sign in with your Microsoft account. Can someone please explain why these two things are ever simultaneously true? You buy the stupid Copilot+ PC that has "AI" NPU hardware, right? So the AI features should be able to run locally. But if you have to sign in with a Microsoft account, then surely, it doesn't run locally, whic…

The goal is obviously to onboard consumers to an app store ecosystem so MS can charge monopoly rents to app developers for access to Windows users. Everything MS is doing in Windows is to this end.

Obviously not. They introduced their app store (13 years ago!, fuck time goes by), probably trying to do this.

They got to like step 3 of their 10 step master plan and gave up and have been lingering there.

Microsoft has been a walking husk of a company for the past decade and a half that somehow inexplicably stumbled into a trillion dollar valuation.

Re: Windows 11 Notepad to support Markdown

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Post by nunobrito »

gloosx wrote: post #402

Notepad urgently needs some social features too, did they think about adding stories and a messenger???

Should include native sqlite support and then we can "like" the lines from other people. Also missing some facebook/google account integration to ease that step, and don't forget to only permit opening text files if the device is connected to the internet.

Re: Windows 11 Notepad to support Markdown

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Post by nunobrito »

Someone1234 wrote: post #140
hypeatei wrote: post #34

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Notepad++ is solid but they had a recent kerfuffle involving their security practices and the response didn't inspire much confidence. But if you turn off auto-updates then it's a good alternative if you're still on Windows.

The issue Notepad++ is having, is the same as a lot of open source projects: They don't have a ton of money, don't have a business entity, and are struggling to get/keep a software-signing key in those circumstances. So the people taking pot shots at the developers, I guess, maybe be more specific with what they did wrong and what they should have done instead. Because if you actually understand the history/circumsta…

And yet notepad++ is installed by default on millions of development machines across the globe. This one of those cases that Microsoft should take over the project, keep as open source and give it proper prime time attention.

Re: Windows 11 Notepad to support Markdown

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Post by sysguest »

edp wrote: post #421
sysguest wrote: post #306

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idk maybe TextEdit DOES have some rce not discovered yet? maybe we should separate "real origianl text-only editor" from "fancy text editor"? windows already got wordpad... why even lay a finger on textpad?

Windows had wordpad but it was discontinued two years ago : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPad

wat?????

wtf why?????????

Re: Windows 11 Notepad to support Markdown

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Post by maccard »

protocolture wrote: post #301
dataflow wrote: post #268

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> Windows 10 explorer.exe is 100x faster than Windows 11 explorer, it's not even close. I have a hard time believing this. I'm pretty sensitive to performance losses and I haven't noticed any difference between those. It wouldn't make sense either, given they should both host the same shell icon views. Are you sure the difference you're seeing is in explorer.exe? As opposed to something else, like a new shell extensi…

Its not faster bereft of context, its just bloated. If you have enough resource to throw at it, its roughly the same. Theres some specific things that can themselves be slower, the Windows 11 Start Menu has had a lot of words written about its new implementation.

> if you have enough resource to throw at it

An i9 with 128GB RAM isn’t enough resources to open a menu?

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