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IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by ceejayoz »

magic_hamster wrote: post #407
ceejayoz wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They took a witness… And the satellite photos showing the scene, and the cell phone video showing the shooting...

From the report: > The report by Earshot and Forensic Architecture reconstructs, minute by minute, how the massacre unfolded. Using video and audio recordings from the incident[1], open-source images and videos[2], satellite imagery[3], social media posts[4], and other materials[5], as well as in-depth interviews with two survivors of the attack[6], the groups were able to digitally reconstruct the scene and events s…

You can see the video at https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-isr....

Decide for yourself if the initial Israeli claims that it was an unmarked, unlit convoy check out. Only need to see the first few seconds, if you don't wanna hear all the shooting and dying.

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Post by richardfeynman »

ceejayoz wrote: post #127

I remember when folks here were shilling the "Israel promises they'd never bomb a hospital" and "Hamas is lying about the death toll" lines. All the hospitals are now rubble, and the IDF quietly let it slip that the death toll is legit recently. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p... There's damning video of this specific incident, recovered from the dead. I suspect subsequent massacres made…

Hamas has weaponized every hospital in Gaza. By contrast, Israel has not dropped an aerial bomb on any hospital building in Gaza.

What has happened is Israel has attacked hospitals with Hamas presence using ground forces, and they have dropped bombs on hospital grounds, but not in hospitals themselves.

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Post by ceejayoz »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #404
ceejayoz wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which fact would you like to dispute? That the Geneva Conventions cover more than civilians is... not tough to back up. https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciii-1949

And what is the relevance here? That's talking about prisoners of war, not talking about military use of "civilian" things.

Are POWs civilians?

Again, the claim upthread: "All the Geneva protections apply only to truly civilian things..."

Accurate, or not?

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by bamboozled »

ceejayoz wrote: post #254
bamboozled wrote: post #247

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I don’t like it but it was a war. October 7 was a declaration of war. I heard almost no one complain about the “war on terror” and I’m sure similar collateral occurred. For some reason people forget the pearl harbour event that happened before it all kicked off ? Not trying to say it’s fine to bomb a hospital, but it doesn’t seem fair to single out the IDF. Do you whine about Hiroshima ?

> I don’t like it but it was a war. I don't disagree. There's a reason we have a thing called "war crimes". (In fact, much of the concept stems from a conflict very significant to Israel.) > I heard almost no one complain about the “war on terror” I don't think you were listening very hard. > Do you whine about Hiroshima ? If we did it today, with F-35s and precision weaponry and drones available to us? Absolutely.

If we did it today, with F-35s and precision weaponry and drones available to us? Absolutely.

I saw Israel using very precision weapons too. Warning people to leave areas etc. I even saw "live leak" style videos where people in Gaza were filming buildings because they knew precisely when they'd be demolished.

None of that was good enough though, clearly...war sucks, best to avoid starting one in the first place if you care about the welfare of others...people can say the IDF did all the wrong things, and you could also say it was stupidly reckless of Hamas.

For those people who are really unhappy with the IDF, also need to be eqaually unhappy with Hamas, else nothing will improve for the innocent people of the region.

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Post by ceejayoz »

richardfeynman wrote: post #422
ceejayoz wrote: post #127

I remember when folks here were shilling the "Israel promises they'd never bomb a hospital" and "Hamas is lying about the death toll" lines. All the hospitals are now rubble, and the IDF quietly let it slip that the death toll is legit recently. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p... There's damning video of this specific incident, recovered from the dead. I suspect subsequent massacres made…

Hamas has weaponized every hospital in Gaza. By contrast, Israel has not dropped an aerial bomb on any hospital building in Gaza. What has happened is Israel has attacked hospitals with Hamas presence using ground forces, and they have dropped bombs on hospital grounds, but not in hospitals themselves.

> By contrast, Israel has not dropped an aerial bomb on any hospital building in Gaza.

An oddly specific claim. Hamas hasn't killed any Israeli with a turtle, either.

I'm not sure why destroying hospitals with tanks, missiles, and sappers is better than "aerial bombs". Could you elaborate?

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Post by richardfeynman »

ceejayoz wrote: post #426
richardfeynman wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hamas has weaponized every hospital in Gaza. By contrast, Israel has not dropped an aerial bomb on any hospital building in Gaza. What has happened is Israel has attacked hospitals with Hamas presence using ground forces, and they have dropped bombs on hospital grounds, but not in hospitals themselves.

> By contrast, Israel has not dropped an aerial bomb on any hospital building in Gaza. An oddly specific claim. Hamas hasn't killed any Israeli with a turtle, either. I'm not sure why destroying hospitals with tanks, missiles, and sappers is better than "aerial bombs". Could you elaborate?

Yes, it's specific. It's also a fact that is in direct contradistinction to the OP's claim.

Israel has also not fired any missiles at hospitals, with one exception (a small diameter bomb aimed specifically at Hamas that caused minimal damage).

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Post by ok123456 »

richardfeynman wrote: post #422
ceejayoz wrote: post #127

I remember when folks here were shilling the "Israel promises they'd never bomb a hospital" and "Hamas is lying about the death toll" lines. All the hospitals are now rubble, and the IDF quietly let it slip that the death toll is legit recently. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p... There's damning video of this specific incident, recovered from the dead. I suspect subsequent massacres made…

Hamas has weaponized every hospital in Gaza. By contrast, Israel has not dropped an aerial bomb on any hospital building in Gaza. What has happened is Israel has attacked hospitals with Hamas presence using ground forces, and they have dropped bombs on hospital grounds, but not in hospitals themselves.

Hamas didn't "weaponize every hospital in Gaza."

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by richardfeynman »

ok123456 wrote: post #428
richardfeynman wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hamas has weaponized every hospital in Gaza. By contrast, Israel has not dropped an aerial bomb on any hospital building in Gaza. What has happened is Israel has attacked hospitals with Hamas presence using ground forces, and they have dropped bombs on hospital grounds, but not in hospitals themselves.

Hamas didn't "weaponize every hospital in Gaza."

Finally, a refutable claim. Can you name me a hospital in Gaza that didn't have a Hamas presence?

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by ceejayoz »

richardfeynman wrote: post #427
ceejayoz wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By contrast, Israel has not dropped an aerial bomb on any hospital building in Gaza. An oddly specific claim. Hamas hasn't killed any Israeli with a turtle, either. I'm not sure why destroying hospitals with tanks, missiles, and sappers is better than "aerial bombs". Could you elaborate?

Yes, it's specific. It's also a fact that is in direct contradistinction to the OP's claim. Israel has also not fired any missiles at hospitals, with one exception (a small diameter bomb aimed specifically at Hamas that caused minimal damage).

Again:

> I'm not sure why destroying hospitals with tanks, missiles, and sappers is better than "aerial bombs". Could you elaborate?

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