Just to be clear, this article is talking about the possibility that this might happen one day. LiDAR remains prohibitively expensive AFAICT.
Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics
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Re: Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics
#422Since lidar has distance information and cameras do not, it was always a ridiculous idea by a certain company to use cameras only. Lidar using cars are going to replace at least the ones that don't make use of this obvious answer to obstacle detection challenges.
It was a great decision to drop LiDAR. The cars are running excellently without it
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#423Re: Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics
#424Just to be clear, this article is talking about the possibility that this might happen one day. LiDAR remains prohibitively expensive AFAICT.
This is not quite true. It depends what you're talking about. Automotive LiDAR sensor prices typically range from $150–300 today for standard units. Mid-range ADAS systems (Ls+/L3) sensors are about $600-750 and the long-range units used by robo-taxis like Waymos are about $1,500–6,000 or more per sensor
https://www.fleetowner.com/technology/article/55316670
The ~$75k per sensor in 2015 refers to the long-range sensors. 99% of production is from 4 Chinese companies: Hesai, RoboSense, Huawei, and Seyond.
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#425Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was using cruise control on the highway yesterday and thinking: this is like very cheap very crude self-driving. And you know what? In its limited UNIX-like way, it's great: the car does a much better job of gradually injecting fuel than I, with my brick-like human foot, can do. Robot 1, human 0. And from there it's easy to think: couldn't the car also detect white lines and stay within them? It doesn't have to be…
Is this comment from 2010? Maybe I'm missing your point, but it seems you would be shocked by what modern cars are capable of.
The intention of my comment (possibly unclear) was to say: I know we can do self-driving very well very expensively. But what can we do extremely cheaply?
Like the difference between "what can do we with an LLM on my maxxed-out laptop with an RTX 5090 card" vs. "what can we do with a mac mini." Self-driving car version.
Re: Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics
#426The mind salivates at the idea of sub-$100 and soon after sub-$10 Lidar. We could build spatial awareness into damn near everything. It'll be a cambrian explosion of autonomous robots.
The short-range stuff is already $150-300 per unit. If you're thinking indoor robots that's already technically feasible. Over 25% of all Chinese cars being produced today have LiDAR.
Even mid-range sensors used in ADAS systems only cost $600-750. The long-range stuff that's needed for trucking or robotaxis is $1,500–6,000
Re: Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics
#427The mind salivates at the idea of sub-$100 and soon after sub-$10 Lidar. We could build spatial awareness into damn near everything. It'll be a cambrian explosion of autonomous robots.
RIP to every single camera in existence if that happens. Lidar is awful with damaging camera lenses.
I wish this was true. It'd immediately be the best way to fight surveillance systems like Flock
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#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/if_the_shoe_fits,_wear_it
Oh, that's silly. I don't own a Tesla. I just wanna talk about LIDAR without people ragebaiting about Elon.
> without people ragebaiting about Elon
Hmm. Is it ragebaiting to respond to a tired and wrong statement by saying that it's tired and wrong and that the situation is merely the product of piss poor management decisions? People get understandably frustrated seeing the same wrong talking point that people with domain knowledge in computer vision and robotics have repeatedly explained is wrong in extremely fundamental ways.
> I don't own a Tesla.
n.b. The shoe/foot comment was not about you. It was about Musk. It wouldn't make any idiomatic sense for the expression to be about you given what you said and what you were responding to. If they'd said "pot, meet kettle", then it would have been about you. In that context, saying that you don't own a Tesla feels like a weird thing for you to insert in your comment. It potentially comes across as suspiciously defensive.
Re: Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics
#429Since lidar has distance information and cameras do not, it was always a ridiculous idea by a certain company to use cameras only. Lidar using cars are going to replace at least the ones that don't make use of this obvious answer to obstacle detection challenges.
It's not that simple. Cameras don't report 3D depth, but these AI models can and do pick up on pictorial depth cues. LiDAR is incredibly valuable for collecting training and validation data, but may also make only an insignificant difference in production inference.
Re: Sub-$200 Lidar could reshuffle auto sensor economics
#430Low cost, sub $200 automotive grade LIDAR sensors are already available. Cepton Technologies offers Nova [0], Nova-Ultra [1] sensors both at a sub-$100 price point [2]. These feature a 120°(H) x 90°(V) FOV at 50m, with 2.7M points per second sampling. Velodyne introduced Velabit in 2021, for $100. Boasting 100m range and a 60-degree horizontal FoV x 10-degree vertical FoV. The article claims that: > What distinguishe…
99% of LiDAR production is just 4 Chinese companies. Yes low-range systems are already at the $150-300 range, but MicroVision is promising to produce this in the Washington.
Basically they're saying "we can catch up to China by 2028/2029" ||so please subsidize us||