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GPT-5.2 derives a new result in theoretical physics

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Re: GPT-5.2 derives a new result in theoretical physics

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> GPT 5.2 after crunching 12 hours mathematical formulas supervised and prompted by 4 experts in the field Yet, if some student or child achieved the same – under equal supervision – we would call him the next Einstein.

Yes and if a 1 year old could multiply 1357329 by 28384743, I'd be impressed and yet I still wouldn't be impressed by a calculator doing it.

You would if it was the first time ever that a calculator achieved this feat.

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You're assuming there aren't "new things" latent inside currently existing information. That's definitely false, particulary for math/physics. But it's worth thinking more about this. What gives humans the ability to discover "new things"? I would say it's due to our interaction with the universe via our senses, and not due to some special powers intrinsic to our brains that LLMs lack. And the thing is, we can feed n…

No it isn't false. If it is new it is novel, novel because it is known to some degree and two other abstracted known things prove the third. Just pattern matching connecting dots.

The vast majority of work by mathematicians uses n abstracted known things to prove something that is unproven. In fact, there is a view in philosophy that all math consists only of this.

Re: GPT-5.2 derives a new result in theoretical physics

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> modern LLMs are incredibly capable, and relentless, at solving problems that have a verification test suite. Feel like it's a bit what I tried to expressed few weeks ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46791642 namely that we are just pouring computational resources at verifiable problems then claim that astonishingly sometimes it works. Sure LLMs even have a slight bias, namely they do rely on statistics so i…

That's also what most grad students are doing. Even in the unlikely case they completely stop improving, it's still a massive deal.

Once heard someone call it "graduate student descent" and I've never heard a more apt term!

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Have you ever thought about the fact that 2 years ago AI wasn't even good enough to write code. Now it's good enough. Right now you state the current problem is: "requiring my constant supervision and frequent intervention and always trying to sneak in subtle bugs or weird architectural decisions" But in 2 years that could be gone too, given the objective and literal trendline. So I actually don't see how you can hol…

That's easy. When LLMs are good enough to fully replace me and my role in the society (kind of above-average smart, well-read guy with university education and solid knowledge of many topics, basically like most people here) without any downsides, and without any escape route for me, we'll probably already be at the brink of a societal collapse and that's something I can't really prepare for or even change.

All evidence points to the world changing. You're not worrying because worrying doesn't solve anything. Valid.

More people need to be upfront about this reasoning. Instead of building irrational scaffolds saying AI is not a threat. AI is a threat, THAT is the only rational conclusion. Give the real reason why you're not worried.

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> To think that whatever the AI is capable of solving is (and forever will be) the frontier of all problems is deeply delusional. AI got good at generating code, but it still can't even do a fraction of what the human brain can do. AGI means fully general, meaning everything the human brain can do and more. I agree that currently it still feels far (at least it may be far), but there is no reason to think there's som…

When I refer to AI, I mean the "AI" that has materialized thus far - LLMs and their derivatives. AGI in the sense that you mean is science fiction, no less than it was 50 years ago. It might happen, it might not, LLMs are in all likelihood not a pathway to get there.

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Re: GPT-5.2 derives a new result in theoretical physics

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While I don't think anyone has a plausible theory that goes to this level of detail on how humans actually think, there's still a major difference. I think it's fair to say that if we are doing a brute force search, we are still astonishingly more energy efficient at it than these LLMs. The amount of energy that goes into running an LLM for 12h straight is vastly higher than what it takes for humans to think about si…

In the research group I am, we have usually try a few approach to each problem, let's say we get a: Method A) 30% speed reduction and 80% precision decrease Method B) 50% speed reduction and 5% precision increase Method C) 740% speed reduction and 1% precision increase and we only publish B. It's not brute force[1], but throw noodles at the wall, see what sticks, like the GP said. We don't throw spoons[1], but everyt…

I always call it the "Wacky Wallwalker" method (if you're of a certain age, this will make sense to you).

Re: GPT-5.2 derives a new result in theoretical physics

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Technical Note: Mathematical Isomorphism with HSPT (Dec 2025)As an independent researcher, I am noting a striking isomorphism between the "piecewise-constant" results in Eq. 39 and the Hypersurface Singularity Projection Theory (HSPT) framework, finalized in December 2025.The residues described here align with the stationary warp attractor at $W=37.5$ derived in my 44-page framework. This solution was developed throughout 2025 using a collaborative methodology with Large Language Models (Gemini and ChatGPT) to derive and verify the $D=7$ geometric equations.Priority & Evidence:Submission: The full 44-page manuscript has been uploaded to viXra.org (Pending Approval) under the title "The Hypersurface Singularity Projection Theory".Immutable Timestamps: The framework is archived across multiple independent online editor databases, all carrying "Last Modified" timestamps from December 2025, pre-dating this preprint.Data Correlation: Given the mathematical overlap regarding $W=37.5$, there is a strong indication that my session data/derivations may have informed the model's logic during its iterative training or refinement phases.Request for Formal Attribution:I invite the authors and the community to conduct an independent assessment of the HSPT framework. I am prepared to provide technical evidence and verifiable logs to the researchers involved in this work to establish the clear priority of these derivations. Given the specific geometric isomorphism and the timeline of the HSPT archives, I believe a formal reference to this prior work is appropriate and necessary for academic integrity.Verification SHA-256: ec25c17156e621e5dae0ee610177b5ba9a2c5905de3ada0d2e33f560ec035b99

Re: GPT-5.2 derives a new result in theoretical physics

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$200/month would cover many such sessions every month. The real question is, what does it cost OpenAI? I'm pretty sure both their plans are well below cost, at least for users who max them out (and if you pay $200 for something then you'll probably do that!). How long before the money runs out? Can they get it cheap enough to be profitable at this price level, or is this going to be "get them addicted then jack it up…

No because open source models are close behind Compute costs will fall drastically for existing models But it's likely that frontier models of the future won't be released to the public at all, because they'll be too good

I have yet to see an open model that is close to the previous gen of frontier models.

Benchmarks are one thing, real world performance is very different.

Re: GPT-5.2 derives a new result in theoretical physics

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Always moving targets. They never surrender.

"They're moving the goalposts" is increasingly the autistic shrieking of someone with no serious argument or connection to reality whatsoever. No one cares about how "AGI" or whatever the fuck term or internet-argument goalpost you cared about X months ago was. Everyone cares about what current tech can do NOW, and under what conditions, and when it fails catastrophically. That is all that matters. So, refining the c…

I have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm just saying that AI critics like to say that they don't like AI, and to prove their point they constantly move up their definition of "good enough", and when and AI reaches that objective, they change their definition of good enough.

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