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I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by manuelabeledo »

eek2121 wrote: post #407
MBCook wrote: post #387

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What? I’ve never seen a single commercial on an Apple TV+ show.

Something like 70% of the comments I've seen on this thread show that either: 1) The user has never owned an Apple Device in their life. 2) They are trolling super hard. There are complaints to be had that I definitely agree with, however, I see a TON of fiction for every single legitimate complaint. No, not an Apple employee, shareholder, etc. (I am broke and dependent on my wife because I am disabled lol)

I've been an Apple One subscriber for over three years now. For the past few months, as soon as you open the TV+ app, a Peacock ad starts playing really loud.

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by intothemild »

StilesCrisis wrote: post #349
ksec wrote: post #110

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Ever since Apple moved to Services Strategy in 2014 it has been like this. Services were not there so they could provide a better experience for its " customers ". I use the word " customer " here which is what Apple / Steve Jobs used to call their loyal fans, and not user . But to further growth their Revenue pie because they foresee iPhone one day will stagnant. You now have Apple Fitness+, Apple TV, News, Music, A…

They tried to kill _competitors'_ ads. Everyone else gets "Ask Not to Track" while Apple gets "Personalized Ads." It's so glaring once you see it.

I hate ad companies and ads as much as the next person. But this was one of the moments where I felt like people didn't see what I saw with services era apple. I pointed out that all apple is doing is locking down their phones even further. That they're not eliminating all ads on your phone... Nope they're eliminating their competition.

It's just nuts peoples hatred of ads clouds their vision of this.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

afavour wrote: post #211
giancarlostoro wrote: post #190

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Contrast with Apple TV+ which has insanely high quality shows. I feel like they arent advertising it enough and investing in it enough. One of my favorite shows that my daughter watches is on Apple TV+ the other on Amazon (If You Give a Mouse a Cookie). Apple is really messing up in my eyes they have so much potential they are throwing away.

A clear difference here is that Apple creates the TV+ shows and they don't create the News+ content. And I really don't think they want to get into the news content creation business.

Agree I am just comparing Apples efforts

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by crazygringo »

ndriscoll wrote: post #393
crazygringo wrote: post #212

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> Why would a less legitimate company not pay more money to give you a worse deal with better margins? Because what matters is the total spend per resulting purchase, not spend per impression. Because spam ad companies have a very tiny conversion rate, they can only pay a very small amount per impression before it becomes unprofitable. Legitimate companies aren't usually trying to completely trick their customers. Th…

I think our world models are just completely different here: I would say that "legitimate" companies are usually trying to completely trick their customers. e.g. price discrimination, shrinkflation, planned obsolescence, subscription or financing models to obscure costs, surreptitiously collecting and selling their customers' information, abusing psychology to create demand for things that no thinking person should w…

Surely you understand there's a massive difference between crypto scams and fake boner pills, vs. real genuine potato chips that now come in a slightly smaller size or phones that don't work for quite as many years as you'd like?

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Post by rmunn »

hunterpayne wrote: post #405
autoexec wrote: post #299

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> Unfortunately the "beast" is the Internet content itself. The idea that the internet couldn't exist without ads is a myth that needs to die. The internet existed, thrived, and was awesome long before it became infested with ads. An ad free internet would be different in some ways, but it'd still be great and filled with endless amounts of content. Your example of youtube kind of proves the point. It was so much mor…

Most people are cheap (or broke). As such they will take for free when they can. In markets like that, ads win out. You should take a look at what happens to human behavior when you change a price from free to tiny (like a penny or a dollar) but non-zero.

You're quite right: that newfangled Patreon nonsense is a flash in the pan that will never catch on. There's no way anyone can be successful getting hundreds of people to pay them $5 (or even $1) per month. Ads are the only way to run the Internet.

What? It's 2026, not 2016? And Patreon has been running very successfully for over a decade? Huh. Whaddayaknow?

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Post by recursive »

Wobbles42 wrote: post #415

I wonder if there is a point where signal to noise in advertising gets so low that the industry itself collapses. Many people actively ignore advertisement at this point, but there is still enough attention to make paying for them profitable. I don't see any reason that couldn't change in a sufficiently noisy environment. If demand for advertising drops too low as a whole, and ad supported content goes away as a resu…

I think people are very bad at estimating how much advertising affects them. Everyone thinks that they themselves are immune to it, but it's the other people who are targeted. Except everyone thinks this, and advertising is bigger than ever.

The truth is most people that say they're actively ignoring it are still getting affected.

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Post by recursive »

AlienRobot wrote: post #366
slumberlust wrote: post #364

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This mythical world where you are 'immune' to ads doesn't exist. You are just as susceptible to ads as the next human.

But by what metrics?

Metric implies there is some way to objectively measure it. I'm not sure if that's true.

But almost everyone thinks the same as you do, and yet ads are huge business. How are you affected? I don't know, but my first guess is brand perception, regardless of your self-diagnosis. If a company is advertising a certain time-limited sale, some of their value will come from conversions taking that offer. But some, maybe most, is the brand impression that people get over time. Think "I never heard of that" vs "Oh yeah, I've seen that somewhere".

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Post by rmunn »

slumberlust wrote: post #364
AlienRobot wrote: post #322

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I'm pretty sure the only ad that would work on me would be an ad for an indie game, but indie game developers don't buy ads, they buy blue checkmarks on twitter then they try to game the algorithm. Even if I did see an ad for an indie game, I would probably not click on it, but just google its name instead. What I mean to say is that there is a type of person that will never click on an ad, even if they want to buy t…

This mythical world where you are 'immune' to ads doesn't exist. You are just as susceptible to ads as the next human.

Says who? What's the proof?

Last time I asked someone that (over a decade ago), the answer I got was that ad companies wouldn't spend millions of dollars on their ad campaigns if they didn't have proof of effectiveness. Sure, okay, that's good evidence that the ad campaigns are effective at getting some people to buy the product. But what's the evidence that I, personally, am influenced by ads? Rather than "many people are influenced by ads, don't think you're immune"?

Especially because I, personally, actively avoid advertising. I block it on the Internet, I avoid watching live TV and instead buy (or check out from the library) DVDs of shows I'm interested in... And the billboards on the highway are mostly for services I don't need (like injury lawyers) so I have almost never bought something because I saw it advertised on a billboard. The only exceptions are the ones where the billboard said "(name of restaurant) 10 miles ahead" and I thought "Oh good, I had been hoping to find exactly that restaurant, I'll pull over in 10 miles". But I was already looking for that product, the billboard ad just helped me find it.

Not to mention that if all ads were like that — "Hey, our restaurant is at exit 183, we do really good fajitas" — I would be far, FAR less annoyed by advertising. If that was the only kind of ads you saw on the Internet, I might not have sought out adblockers in the first place.

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Post by bdangubic »

rmunn wrote: post #429
slumberlust wrote: post #364

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This mythical world where you are 'immune' to ads doesn't exist. You are just as susceptible to ads as the next human.

Says who? What's the proof? Last time I asked someone that (over a decade ago), the answer I got was that ad companies wouldn't spend millions of dollars on their ad campaigns if they didn't have proof of effectiveness. Sure, okay, that's good evidence that the ad campaigns are effective at getting some people to buy the product. But what's the evidence that I, personally , am influenced by ads? Rather than "many peo…

> I was already looking for that product, the billboard ad just helped me find it.

that is what ad-infested society does to everyone… everything you end up spending money on you sure think you were going to already :) you sound here exactly like my wife does when she gets pulled in bu an ad - “oh we really needed new curtains and these just came across the billboard, the ones we have are like 7 weeks old…”

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