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A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

brandon.wang

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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#421

- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…

> Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? I agree that removing items and taking pictures takes more effort than it saves, but I would use a simpler solution if one existed because it turns out I cannot remember what we have. When my partner goes to the store I get periodic text messages from them asking how much X we have…

> In the morning I typically check my work calendar, my personal calendar, the shared family calendar, and the kids' various school calendars. It would be convenient to have these aggregated. (Copying events or sending new events to all of the calendars works well until I forget and one slips through the cracks...)

Why in the world would you use a non-deterministic system for something so banal but important?

LLMs regularly let things slip through the cracks in ways no human would ever do so.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#422

- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…

> Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? More importantly, can Clawdbot even reliably access these sites? The last time I tried to build a hotel price scraper, the scraping was easy. Getting the page to load (and get around bot detection) was hard.

That’s why the author explains that the page loads in a real Google Chrome instance on a real Mac mini from the same residential IP as his other devices.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#423

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Yeah, a lot of these AI "uses" feel like solutions looking for a problem. It's the equivalent of me having to press a button on the steering wheel of my Tesla and say "Open Glovebox" and wait 1-2 seconds for the glove box to open (the wonders of technology!) instead of just reaching over and pressing a button to open the glovebox instantly (a button that Tesla removed because "voice-operated controls are cool!"). Or…

Tesla removed all the buttons because separately designed buttons are expensive. The glovebox button is different from the wiper button. Touchscreens are cheap because you only need one variety.

not sure if you're aware of this, but there is a broad, robust, competitive and inexpensive market for buttons of every conceivable type and function, which have the advantage of providing consistent and direct feedback when reached for, touched, and actuated.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#424

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> Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? I agree that removing items and taking pictures takes more effort than it saves, but I would use a simpler solution if one existed because it turns out I cannot remember what we have. When my partner goes to the store I get periodic text messages from them asking how much X we have…

> In the morning I typically check my work calendar, my personal calendar, the shared family calendar, and the kids' various school calendars. It would be convenient to have these aggregated. (Copying events or sending new events to all of the calendars works well until I forget and one slips through the cracks...) Why in the world would you use a non-deterministic system for something so banal but important? LLMs re…

> Why in the world would you use a non-deterministic system for something so banal but important?

I wouldn't. As mentioned above, this (using an LLM) doesn't look like a suitable solution for me, just pointing out that I understand the need.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#425

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> Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? I agree that removing items and taking pictures takes more effort than it saves, but I would use a simpler solution if one existed because it turns out I cannot remember what we have. When my partner goes to the store I get periodic text messages from them asking how much X we have…

> In the morning I typically check my work calendar, my personal calendar, the shared family calendar, and the kids' various school calendars. It would be convenient to have these aggregated. (Copying events or sending new events to all of the calendars works well until I forget and one slips through the cracks...) But... calendar apps already let you aggregate your calendars into a single view. Even if you have them…

> you can easily share a read-only version of, say, your work calendar with your personal account so that you can have them combined in the morning.

If only it was that easy! I'm not allowed to share content to or from my work calendar for security reasons. The school and camp calendars are a mix of PDFs and hand-written websites -- a neighbor wrote a scraper to extract the information from a few of them into a caldav at one point but it ended up being even flakier than copying the relevant bits by hand. There's no technical barrier to consolidating my personal calendar with the various family / neighborhood calendars but in practice I have to hide most of the other calendars because the volume of irrelevant events is just too large, so I end up just copying over the relevant events to a personal calendar.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#426

- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…

> Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings.

That was just an example.

Could be airline tickets, Ebay/craigslist items, deals from brands you like, etc.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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post #408

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> Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? I agree that removing items and taking pictures takes more effort than it saves, but I would use a simpler solution if one existed because it turns out I cannot remember what we have. When my partner goes to the store I get periodic text messages from them asking how much X we have…

Fridge cataloging is actually a great use case for image recognition, the problem is fridges no accommodations to power accessories inside them. I have a couple of temperature sensors to alert Home Assistant if the fridge gets too warm. It would be easy and cheap to add some ESP32-camera modules to track contents...but there's no way to power them nicely (I simply don't know where I could pull USB power through).

Samsung makes an "AI Vision" fridge I looked at briefly, but it didn't come close to making sense for us given the unreliability of the vision system, the cost of replacing a couple fridges, and the comparative simplicity of a paper list.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? I agree that removing items and taking pictures takes more effort than it saves, but I would use a simpler solution if one existed because it turns out I cannot remember what we have. When my partner goes to the store I get periodic text messages from them asking how much X we have…

Fridge cataloging is actually a great use case for image recognition, the problem is fridges no accommodations to power accessories inside them. I have a couple of temperature sensors to alert Home Assistant if the fridge gets too warm. It would be easy and cheap to add some ESP32-camera modules to track contents...but there's no way to power them nicely (I simply don't know where I could pull USB power through).

You can only track what containers are in the fridge, not how much is left or if it’s expired. “Automated” pantry or fridge tracking is just not possible and requires way more effort than just writing “mustard” on the shopping list when you notice you’re low.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#429

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And spend $600 in Anthropic credits to do so.

It doesn't cost $600 in Anthropic credits though. It probably costs a few cents (definitely I do understand the general point you're trying to make, but you can't overestimate the cost of tokens by a few orders of magnitude and still expect the logic to hold.

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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#430

- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…

> Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. That was just an example. Could be airline tickets, Ebay/craigslist items, deals from brands you like, etc.

Pretty bad example then.
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