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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by Aurornis »

charcircuit wrote: post #251
Aurornis wrote: post #233

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> Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. This would be done in parallel for key sources. There is a lot of information on physical devices that is helpful, though. Even discovering additional apps and services used on the devices can lead to more discovery via those cloud services, if relevant. Physical devices have a lot of additional information, though: Files people…

Sure it might be on the device, but they would need a password to decrypt the laptop's storage to get any of the data. There's also the possibility of the MDM software making it impossible to decrypt if given a remote signal. Even if you image the drive, you can't image the secure enclave so if it is wiped it's impossible to retrieve.

> Sure it might be on the device, but they would need a password to decrypt the laptop's storage to get any of the data.

In these situations, refusing to provide those keys or passwords is an offense.

The employees who just want to do their job and collect a paycheck aren’t going to prison to protect their employer by refusing to give the password to their laptop.

The teams that do this know how to isolate devices to avoid remote kill switches. If someone did throw a remote kill switch, that’s destruction of evidence and a serious crime by itself. Again, the IT guy isn’t going to risk prison to wipe company secrets.

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Post by tjpnz »

q3k wrote: post #247
SilverElfin wrote: post #93

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There's no tool, technological or legal, to block/ban a website EU-wide.

The EU can declare a company a criminal enterprise and the financial industry must then prevent EU citizens from transacting with them.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by trcarney »

Bender wrote: post #398
trcarney wrote: post #290

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hold on, are you saying that you should be able to be jailed for manipulation? Where would that end? could i be jailed if i post a review for a restaurant if you feel it manipulated you? or anyone stating an opinion could be construed as manipulation. that is beyond a slippery slope, that is an authoritarian nightmare.

I believe the context I was proposing would be at the scale of world-wide manipulation. Rigging elections and such. There is a Netflix documentary called "The Great Hack" that gets into what I am discussing though from the perspective of social media algorithm. This only gets more effective when people are chatting with an AI bot that mimics a human and they think is their significant other that laughs at all their j…

Yeah i get that. I just hesitate to give any government even more power than they do now to silence people, which they would definitely use any law like that to do.

I will have to check that out, it sounds interesting. It was also pretty obvious how all the social media companies pushed the same narrative through COVID.

I don't like how these social networks and the media try to manipulate things but I don't think giving the government even more power will fix anything. It will probably make it worse. I think even if you had those laws on the books, you would still get manipulation through selective enforcement.

I think the only solution is education and individuals saying no to these platforms' and their algorithmic feeds. I think we are already seeing a growing movement towards people either not using social media or using it way less than they did previously. I know for me personally, I use X but only follow tech people i like and only look at the "following" tab. It is a much better experience than the "for you" tab

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Post by chrisjj »

anigbrowl wrote: post #407
chrisjj wrote: post #100

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You are mistaken. Item #1 is "images of children of a pornographic nature". Wheras "CSAM isn’t pornography—it’s evidence of criminal exploitation of kids." https://rainn.org/get-informed/get-the-facts-about-sexual-vi...

A distinction without a difference. Even if some kid makes a video of themselves jerking off for their own personal enjoyment, unprompted by anyone else, if someone else gains access to that (eg a technician at a store or an unprincipled guardian) and makes a copy for themselves they're criminally exploiting the kid by doing so.

> A distinction without a difference.

Huge difference here in Europe. CSAM is a much more serious crime. That's why e.g. Interpol runs a global database of CSAM but doesn't bother for mere child porn.

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Post by f30e3dfed1c9 »

vessenes wrote: post #87
StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #38

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Very different charges however. Durov was held on suspicion Telegram was willingly failing to moderate its platform and allowed drug trafficking and other illegal activities to take place. X has allegedly illegally sent data to the US in violation of GDPR and contributed to child porn distribution. Note that both are directly related to direct violation of data safety law or association with a separate criminal activ…

I like your username, by the way. CSAM was the lead in the 2024 news headlines in the French prosecution of Telegram also. I didn't follow the case enough to know where they went, or what the judge thought was credible. From a US mindset, I'd say that generation of communication, including images, would fall under speech. But then we classify it very broadly here. Arranging drug deals on a messaging app definitely fa…

"I've been told by FBI agents that they believe assassination markets are legal in the US - protected speech."

I don't believe you. Not sure what you mean by "assassination markets" exactly, but "Solicitation to commit a crime of violence" and "Conspiracy to murder" are definitely crimes.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

LightBug1 wrote: post #278
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #198

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Well yes, if France24 was using "20 April 2026" as we write here, there would be no misunderstanding. I believe people are looking too much into 20 April → 4/20 → 420

April 20th most definitely is international stoners day. And I like what the French have done here!

I assume in France international stoners' day falls on the 4th of Duodevigintiber.

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Post by tzs »

hunterpayne wrote: post #397
alex1138 wrote: post #257

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Elon is literally in the files, talking about going to the island. It's documented

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Obama is not in the flight logs and there is no evidence he was ever on the island.

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Post by enaaem »

chrisjj wrote: post #81
moolcool wrote: post #59

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Are you implying that it's not abuse to "undress" a child using AI? You should realize that children have committed suicide before because AI deepfakes of themselves have been spread around schools. Just because these images are "fake" doesn't mean they're not abuse, and that there aren't real victims.

> Are you implying that it's not abuse to "undress" a child using AI? Not at all. I am saying just it is not CSAM. > You should realize that children have committed suicide before because AI deepfakes of themselves have been spread around schools. Its terrible. And when "AI"s are found spreading deepfakes around schools, do let us know.

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