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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by chasd00 »

torginus wrote: post #261
smithkl42 wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm one of those really odd beasts that feels some sort of loyalty to Microsoft, so I started out on Copilot and was very reluctant to try Claude Code. But as soon as I did, I figured out what the hype was about. It's just able to work over larger code bases and over longer time horizons than Copilot. The last time I tried Copilot, just to compare, I noticed that it would make some number of tool calls (not even invo…

I don't really like how Claude Code kind of obscures the actual code from you - I guess that's why people keep putting out articles about how certain programmers have absolutely no idea whats going on inside the code. It's truly more capable but still not capable enough that Im comfortable blindly trusting the output.

> Claude Code kind of obscures the actual code from you

not sure what you mean, I have vscode open and make code changes in between claude doing its thing. I have had it revert my changes once which was amusing. Not sure why it did that, I've also seen it make the same mistake twice after being told not to.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by alternatex »

coffeemug wrote: post #304
torginus wrote: post #241

To this day I cannot wrap my head around the fact why did Microsoft allow a culture to grow inside the company (either through hiring, or through despondence) that at best is indifferent towards the company's products and at worst openly despises them? I'm sure no other tech company is like this. I think technologies like the Windows kernel and OS, the .NET framework, their numerous attempts to build a modern desktop…

I work for Microsoft/Azure and my incentives are (roughly in descending order): minimize large/long outages, ship lots of stuff (with some concern for customer utility, but not too much), don't get yelled at for missing mandated work (security, compliance, etc.) I'd love to improve product quality, but incentives for that are negative. We're running a tight ship, and every second I spend on quality is a second I don'…

My experience in the Teams org is the same. It's all about security, compliance, and recently AI. Fixing bugs and similar "non-flashy" work is a sure way of postponing one's promotion indefinitely.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by chasd00 »

strongpigeon wrote: post #320

A friend of mine over there told me their VP put a mandate that everyone should install and use Claude Code and write a weekly report on their usage (what they did, what worked, etc.). They also track token usage and have a leaderboard of who uses the most token. It reminds me of this [0] Dilbert comic, but heh. [0]: https://x.com/idera_software/status/573165928264810496

They should just screenshot /stats ...but not /cost heh

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by jug »

paxys wrote: post #126
tylerchilds wrote: post #122

This is funny because everyone’s AI strategy should have been “What do we actually need to be productive?” Which is how Anthropic pulled ahead of Microsoft, that prioritized checks notes Taking screenshots of every windows user’s desktop every few seconds. For productivity.

Anthropic has a model. Microsoft doesn't.

They do have some in-house LLM's (Phi) but they seem to either have issues with, or not thinking it's worth it, to develop large flagship ones.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by [deleted] »

anonymars wrote: post #303
torginus wrote: post #241

To this day I cannot wrap my head around the fact why did Microsoft allow a culture to grow inside the company (either through hiring, or through despondence) that at best is indifferent towards the company's products and at worst openly despises them? I'm sure no other tech company is like this. I think technologies like the Windows kernel and OS, the .NET framework, their numerous attempts to build a modern desktop…

Microsoft used to be well-known for eating its own dogfood. I wonder what happened

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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by jug »

paxys wrote: post #111

For one reason or another everyone seems to be sleeping on Gemini. I have been exclusively using Gemini 3 Flash to code these days and it stands up right alongside Opus and others while having a much smaller, faster and cheaper footprint. Combine it with Antigravity and you're basically using a cheat code.

I've heard Opus 4.5 might have an edge especially in long running agentic coding scenarios (?) but personally yes Gemini 3 series is what I was expecting GPT-5 to be.

I'm also mostly on Gemini 3 Flash. Not because I've compared them all and I found it the best bar none, but because it fulfills my needs and then some, and Google has a surprisingly little noted family plan for it. Unlike OpenAI, unlike Anthropic. IIRC it's something like 5 shared Gemini Pro subs for the price of 1. Even being just a couple sharing it, it's a fantastic deal. My wife uses it during studies, I professionally with coding and I've never run into limits.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by chasd00 »

disqard wrote: post #343
TZubiri wrote: post #247

Friendship ended with OpenAI, Now Anthropic is my best friend

Is this the "beginning of the end" for OpenAI?

That and if Nvidia backs out of their $100B promise it may not be the death knell but it would certainly by a step backward for OpenAI.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/the-100-billion-megadeal-between...

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by isk517 »

kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

>>Point it a SharePoint/OneDrive location, a handful of excel spreadsheets and pdfs/word docs and tell it to make a PowerPoint presentation based on that information. It cannot do this. It will spit out nonsense. You have to hold it by the hand tell it everything to do step by step to the point that making the PowerPoint presentation yourself is significantly faster because you don’t have to type out a bunch of prompts and edit it’s garbage output.

Everyone I know who use AI day-to-day is just using Copilot to mostly do things like add a transition animation to a Powerpoint slide or format a word document to look nice. The only problem these LLM products seem to solve is giving normal people a easy way to interact with terrible software processes and GUIs. And better solution to that problem would be for developers to actually observe how the average use interacts with both a computer and their program in particular.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by krzyk »

kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

> There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool.

It is a coding everything, autocomplete, ask, edit files and an agent (claude code like).

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by canucker2016 »

marssaxman wrote: post #294
kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

> Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. They really won't, though; Microsoft just does this kind of thing, over and over and over. Before everything was named "365", it was all "One", before that it was "Live"... 20 years ago, everything was called ".NET" whether it had anything to do with the Internet or not. Back in the '90s they went crazy for a while calling everything "Active…

The Dev Tools division had Quick- prefix for some tools before settling on Visual- once VB took off.

Then there's DirectX and its subs - though Direct3D had more room for expanded feature set compared to DXSound or DXInput so now they're up to D3D v12.

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