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Re: European Alternatives

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what ever "money extraction business" means - wero is a real thing people (me included) are already using and developed jointly by many european banks.

Old Dutch banks and their Belgian suckers, mostly. You can see a list on their website. I am not deep into this, but I heard multiple times that the choice of the pan-european payment system was largely political and technnically suboptimal. Old Europe pushed for the aging iDEAL against a much more advanced Blink, so Eastern European banks led by Poland left the consortium. In the end, iDEAL rebranded as Wero was dea…

Sounds more like you have some axe to grind

https://epicompany.eu/members

Re: European Alternatives

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Wero is coming. Currently it is only available in a few countries.

No it's not. Wero is another name for iDEAL, it has been pushed by Dutch, but it is an engineering fiasco. There is no way Poland would adopt it. Blik is just on another level price- and feature-wise.

I recently heard of Wero and it seemed promising. What makes Blik so much better in your opinion?

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What makes you say that? It was explicitly created as an EU alternative to HN by a person from the Netherlands. They posted about it on HN a few days ago. I haven't found anything public about where its hosted

https://hosting-checker.net/websites/techposts.eu or: whois "$(ping -c 1 techposts.eu | awk -F'[()]' '/PING/{print $2}')"

Fly.io probably serves in on the edge, and so it always appears to be near the request origin.

Re: European Alternatives

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Come on, it’s already been that way for more than a century. Old imperial powers cannot do a thing or its opposite without endless recriminations. We’re used to it.

For the past few decades I've only seen the US constantly criticized as either "complicit" or "imperialist". We tried to take responsibility for everything and it got us nothing but hate. Hopefully it will be Europe's turn soon.

That's a very childlike understanding of the world around you, I'm afraid.

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Only if there are European resources to keep the lights on. Java is FOSS by the way, however it is also a good example, its runtime capabilities isn't the product of long nights and weekends.

Java has FOSS implementations. Oracle is very much NOT free: https://oraclejavalicensing.com/who-needs-an-oracle-java-lic... To the extent that my employer blocks Oracle dot com at the outbound firewall to stop anyone accidentally incurring license costs. You don't want to deal with Oracle license enforcement.

Yet another one spreading Java FUD.

Oracle cannot be blamed people are unable to understand the difference between OpenJDK and Oracle Java installers.

OpenJDK also happens to be developed mainly by Oracle employees, circa 80% of contributions.

Re: European Alternatives

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You are missing the big picture who develops them, pays the salaries of people in the trenches, implement LSPs, and whatever else around the ecosystems. Example, Java, .NET, Go and co are FOSS, how long do you think they will keep on going without their overlords? For complete alternatives we need to go back to the cold war days, where programming languages were driven by vendor neutral standards, and there were seve…

For the OS stuff wouldn't a European distribution of Linux do. Worst case if Europe could no longer get access to patches it could fork it. OK Europe might get behind, but that doesn't seem like an immediate issue, in the same way that not having AWS would be? On programming languages it is a concern how popular .net and Java are in Europe. However being stuck on the current state of Python is less of a worry. I feel…

Yeah, it would be a matter who would pick up the forks so to speak.

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Categories missing: - Operating systems, for various kinds of workloads - Programming language toolchains - Hardware vendors

> - Operating systems, for various kinds of workloads I agree that OS is missing but OS for any workload that is not "desktop computer" or "laptop computer" in the EU, and anywhere in the world, is already dominated by Linux. Phones, routers, Internet of Things, servers, supercomputers, smartwatches, satelittes,... Whatever really. It's all Linux.

Where are located the key companies that contribute to Linux ecosystem?

Re: European Alternatives

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See this illustrates my point. The "soft power" talking point I sometimes see from Europeans is a complete lie. The idea is that giving Europe relatively favorable terms will cause Europe to regard the US well is a fabrication. In reality, giving Europe favorable terms just causes Europeans to view Americans as suckers.

> soft power Go look at what these people thought of us before Trump : https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/06/11/views-of-the-u... > Sweden: 47% had a favorable opinion of the US.; Germany: 49%; France: 46%; The Netherlands: 48% And this was after the US committed over $120 billion in aid (all weapons and cash) to Ukraine, and, for some reason, allowed Sweden to join NATO--the same Sweden that pledged neutrality…

> what these people thought of us before Trump

Last I checked, Trump was elected in 2016.

In 2021 he tried an autogolpe and by the time this survey was done in 2024, he was not in prison for treason but instead again running for president as nominee of one of only two major parties. What sort of opinion should one have of such a country?

> allowed Sweden to join NATO

What sort of absurd argument is this? Now that Sweden changed their mind and want to enter treaty obligations to help defend e.g. the Baltics, we should refuse them?

Also, I can't begin to comprehend how Sweden would militarily defend Finland, who entered WW2 as an ally of Nazi Germany after being invaded by USSR, and simultaneously fight against Nazi Germany.

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