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Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by prmoustache »

embedding-shape wrote: post #395
prmoustache wrote: post #307

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The thing is, driving on the road is not supposed to be fun. One should go to a racetrack (or simulator) to have fun. Unless you live in a really remote and desertic place, there are just too much people on the road nowadays.

> driving on the road is not supposed to be fun. Who says it's supposed to boring? It's supposed to be safe and you're supposed to drive with the consideration of others, but I don't think it's supposed to be either fun or boring, that's up to you. I'm having a blast rolling down the highway in the middle of the night blasting music and singing, am I not allowed to do this because driving is supposed to not be fun?

I meant it shouldn't be the main purpose, that's it. Way too many people treat the roads as a playground disregarding the safety of others.

I am saying this as a pistonhead in remission.

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Post by jansper39 »

psychoslave wrote: post #303
CalRobert wrote: post #194

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Perhaps people in the future will visit the US for the dieselpunk nostalgia, the same way people like seeing classic cars in Cuba.

I strongly doubt any current car will stand longevity of those cars. The maintenance entry cost of anything with integrated electronic is just several order of magnitude in complexity.

Modern cars are far more reliable than old 'analogue' cars - primarily because of the integrated electronics. ECUs can detect when engines are running rich or lean, knocking or 100 other edge cases and adjust accordingly.

Switch to an EV and it's even simpler, you can get away with a motor, battery, BMS and inverter and you can get just about any soapbox to move.

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Post by lostlogin »

funkyfiddler69 wrote: post #373
psychoslave wrote: post #303

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I strongly doubt any current car will stand longevity of those cars. The maintenance entry cost of anything with integrated electronic is just several order of magnitude in complexity.

What? How so? Isn't it just a bunch of PCBs and sensors whereas gas powered cars are a bunch of awesome nonesense you can gently whack against each other to create different notes and tones? The former requires a special printer while the latter requires tons of machines for precision engineering and the industrial equivalent of smitheries and blacksmiths!

Ever tried working on a new car versus fixing a pre 1980’s car?

Damned if I have any idea what anything is or what to do on a new one. I had a moderate chance of diagnosing and fixing my old Triunph.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by prmoustache »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #316
prmoustache wrote: post #307

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The thing is, driving on the road is not supposed to be fun. One should go to a racetrack (or simulator) to have fun. Unless you live in a really remote and desertic place, there are just too much people on the road nowadays.

okay but why would you get Porsche in the first place then? Luxury sport cars are sold on 2 basis, a status symbol, and being driver's car. If you don't have the second and it's just another EV why bother ?

That is my point actually?

I am modtly getting my racing dose/fun from simulators these days but go-karts are cheap and fun in comparison of a road homologated luxury sportscar.

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Post by lostlogin »

ekr wrote: post #391
joe_mamba wrote: post #324

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Feels bad faith to shit on people from your ivory tower, just because they can't afford to ditch their reliable beaters and buy a new car. Have you seen wage growth vs car price increases lately? Not everyone is on a remote six figure US tech job. Try to view and judge things from outside your bubble as well. I'd also dump my ol reliable ICE car that's now probably worth less than a fancy electric bicycle, if someone…

Same here. Living in the Netherlands, I drive a 2008 Daihatsu Cuore, bought for 850E over a year ago, I pay 17E /month in mrb (road tax) and 38E/month insurance. It's basically close to the costs of a scooter. And I average under 4L/100km fuel usage, for my 200km/week commute. I did some calculation and no car comes close to these running costs. Definitely no electric cars, even if I were to get them for free, becaus…

It wouldn’t change your equation much, but you don’t need a car charger as such, just connect to a normal power socket (which may not be available within reach).

We ran a Leaf for years like that, and it would charge overnight just fine.

We do have a charger now and it’s quicker, but it’s a luxury we didn’t need.

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Post by jansper39 »

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #271
melenaboija wrote: post #166

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> Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. It’s done man. Americans are stuck in ICE engines because they’ve been told they’re “car enthusiasts” while the Chinese have been developing EV technology for years. Meanwhile, European makers are stuck not knowing what to do, make Americans happy or compete w…

EU automaters fail at making modern cars. They just put a bunch of screens in there with awful software. If you go all screens, just commit like Tesla. If you can't beat Tesla, just stick with minimal screens and use buttons. Somewhere between 2010 and 2020, most automakers went crazy with their designs and it went all downhill from there.

From this year all EU cars will have physical buttons for heater controls, media etc.

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Post by jeroenhd »

com2kid wrote: post #181
charlie0 wrote: post #109

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Lol, 1 to 4 is just called "knowing how to drive". These cameras aren't a serious value add unless you're driving a massive tank, err car.

The rear window in trucks and SUVs is above the head height of a small child. w/o a backup camera there is literally no way to see if a small child is behind you. So many parents ran over their own child that backup cameras are now mandatory in the US.

Crazy to think that multiple countries chose to solve the danger of cars all turning into giant murder tanks was to add cameras rather than to classify the murder tanks as being too dangerous to drive.

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Post by GJim »

gred wrote: post #404
melenaboija wrote: post #166

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> Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. It’s done man. Americans are stuck in ICE engines because they’ve been told they’re “car enthusiasts” while the Chinese have been developing EV technology for years. Meanwhile, European makers are stuck not knowing what to do, make Americans happy or compete w…

> Practicality beats enthusiasm for 95% of car use. About two years ago I rented an electric car for a few days. I felt like I wasted a ton of time finding a charging station, jumping through phone app hoops to get the charging process started, and then waiting for the car to charge. I've stayed away from electric rentals since, even though they're often cheaper.

> jumping through phone app hoops

The very idea you effectively need a mobile phone to charge your car is mind boggling. The mess of proprietary charging networks and registrations is needless complexity that puts people off hiring (and ownership) of EVs.

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Post by lostlogin »

cpursley wrote: post #366
david-gpu wrote: post #343

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Meanwhile, bicycles and e-bikes cost a fraction of a car.

Not sure if you are familiar with the built-environment in America, but there’s effectively no biking infrastructure and people are openly hostile towards cyclists who try.

Same here in New Zealand. Around town a bike is quicker and you learn to adapt to the danger. I about 1000k per month.

The main issues for me are small load capacity and whether or not there is a shower at the destination.

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Post by lostlogin »

cpursley wrote: post #399
david-gpu wrote: post #384

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Barely any bike infrastructure where I live, either. You can make it work. Give it a try someday.

I'd love to but would rather not be road splatter, which is a frequent outcome: https://news.google.com/search?q=cyclist+run+over&hl=en-US&g...

If you ever get the chance to try a bike radar like the garmin Varia, knowing what’s behind you is a game changer.

I feel naked on the rare occasion I don’t have it.

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