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SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation
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Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation
#422This is all just very disappointing.
SparkFun filled a very important gap for me during the downfall of RadioShack. Their Free Day was a source of excitement and goodies. Around the same time they realized the legal implications of Free Day and had to cancel it, (but not because of it) I started buying from Adafruit. Since then I’ve spent many thousands on their stuff. Even when I could get it cheaper elsewhere, I was OK spending more there because of their open source work. I even made a pilgrimage to their office when it was by Ground Zero.
I’m not sure I can find them now, but Sparkfun’s Nate has definitely posted public comments over the years that are not friendly to Adafruit, always clearly rooted in jealousy. One that comes to mind was him telling Adafruit to stop pretending they are an underdog and stop preening that they didn’t (at that point) have millions in sales. I totally believe Adafruit’s account of what Sparkfun was doing.
At the same time, Phil has always rubbed me the wrong way to - too aggressive and a bit rude, even in their own forums, including where they provide customer support on orders. The threads shared of his egregious behavior do not shock me in the least.
I guess this is a good of a reason as any to stop supporting both. I’ll save thousands and I won’t have a continuously growing supply of components for projects I’ll never get around to.
Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation
#423Ignoring all this drama.
But I've always found Paul to be a good guy, who was helpful and honest and provided a great product. Teensy is a great platform, and it's too bad these other players will have a negative impact on it.
Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation
#424Earlier quoted context omitted.
Personally, I've had absolutely miserable experiences trying to get products on Aliexpress. I have at least 3 paid for orders that literally just never showed up (18650 charger, and two LFP 24v chargers). It's not a huge sum of money (~$45) but it's just... gone. Poof - into the ether. It's been more than 24 months. I also have had orders take 3+ months to actually arrive. Consistently. And some products that do show…
Just ask for a refund if it doesn't show up or is crap. Not hard.
Even if you do manage to get a refund, it obviously sucks to be in that position where you need one
Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation
#425Earlier quoted context omitted.
Often these "rules" extend to conduct far outside of the purview of a project - typically crossing into identity politics. "If you espouse views I don't like on your personal Twitter, you can't contribute to this entirely unrelated software project."
I mean, that probably depends on how extreme are the views? If you write a blog post about there being too many colored people in London, how are non-white developers supposed to collaborate with you?
Perhaps by minding your own business and focusing on the work? Nobody is forcing you to view that person's blog or to even know it exists.
If that individual's viewpoints somehow visibly leak into their work or professional communications, then you might have a case for complaint or concern.
Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation
#426Earlier quoted context omitted.
They seem to have reported it in private and were then banned and publicly accused of Code of Conduct violations in retaliation. Going public with everything would seem to be the reasonable response.
Sure, but they did so by going to the Teensy forum, which is not a SparkFun site, and really made a stink. If going public is reasonable, they did it in the least reasonable way.
That’s not what I’m seeing.
They requested comments from the public about the product, only mentioning that the fact that they weren’t allowed to purchase more from Sparkfun [0]. Sparkfun then jumped into the discussion with accusations of a Code of Conduct violation, and only then did they respond publicly. Sparkfun made it public first in that 3rd party forum.
[0] https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/open-source-teensy-...
Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation
#427Earlier quoted context omitted.
What? Your other posts have capital letters for technical abbreviations and "Sparkfun", but not for "I" and the first letter of sentences. Sorry, from a bystander this looks like a straight-up lie, and why lie about such a small thing? It brings into question the truth of your other statements. Just say you like the style if that's the truth.
some are already words/abbreivations that are in my word list and some are me typing over later when i can, and some is a cut/paste if limor has something for me to add or does an edit as she looks at things. you can see my writings on the adafruit blog have caps, commenting on forums or hackersnews quickly, there will be some things someone does not like. we were at the doc with our 2 month old during this ... https…
Congrats! It's insane to me that you'd have to defend any of this. I hope the visit went well.
Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation
#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have feeling it will only hurt PJRC in the end for trusting sparkfun to sell and manage the teensy "brand"
Can't say I blame them though. Paul and Robin are two people. Sparkfun (and Adafruit) are massive by comparison and have big stores that sell the same sort of stuff in much higher volume. The Teensys are popular. Sparkfun does (or at least used to do) board assembly in-house. It seems like a perfect match on paper.
Paul and Robin were awesome to work with and it was disappointing to see them stop handling their own distribution, but I totally understand the desire to move away from even just the mental overhead involved.
Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation
#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
All chip manufacturers are alike in this respect, unfortunately. That whole industry believes that they thrive on secrecy and that simply properly speccing their hardware would already be a massive competitive risk.
Nah, it's a spectrum. Companies like NXP and Infineon are at one end. NXP wants a ton of personal information to access even the most basic docs on some of its chips, sometimes even an NDA. Infineon won't even acknowledge you for the most part. Companies like STM, RP, and TI are at the other end. STM got super popular because they're cheap and the documentation is incredibly easy to get at. I think RP is following su…
That's fair. Even so, the majority of the companies whose chips I would consider for specialized electronics seem to be so far down on the paranoid spectrum that it hinders their business.
Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation
#430This makes me think of Park Tools. Park sells bicycle tools. They design and produce an amazing breadth of products. They also produce an incredibly valuable library of instructional content about how to use these tools. Calvin Jones, their director of education, just announced his retirement after 28 years.
Anyway, they just teach you how to do the thing. They somehow haven't gotten into internet squabbles with their suppliers or retailers. I would just call it professional.